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2001 Super Bowl: Patriots vs Rams - PART 1

Matt Chatham Interview

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Who better to talk about the Patriots first Super Bowl victory than with someone who was actually there? Join the Brown brothers as they try not to embarrass themselves while interviewing the podcast's most famous guest, former Patriot linebacker Matt Chatham.

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Episode Transcript

This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons, and of course Michael, sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny. But really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to part two of a very special episode. The Super Bowl episode.

2001 Super Bowl: Patriots vs Rams - PART 1

This season, the first one didn't go the Patriots way. And because of that, these Patriots are 14 point underdogs, the biggest underdogs, I think in Super Bowl history. Wrong. Well, that's true. They're not the biggest underdogs. They're the biggest underdogs. Not this time. Yeah, Greg, who's the biggest underdogs? I looked it up and there's some old one. It was 18. Really? Yeah. Oh, the, was that the

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The Joe Namath one? It might have been. I'll look it up. Guaranteed victory. I know the biggest blowout was. I don't think the spread was. I was talking about upsets. Yeah, Jets called Super Bowl III. 18 points spread. Wow. Didn't they only score like 18 points a game back then too? Yeah. Final score was 16 to 7. Well, we're not going to ruin the final score on this one. I'm not even going to tell you who won. I think they're going to ruin that.

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So we've already talked about the Rams really because we saw them in week 10. Talked about how great their offense is. They have a solid defense. Yada, yada, yada. Nothing huge in that. So I think we should probably just get into this game because this was a game that I felt like I had watched more recently than I had, but there was a bunch of plays in here that were big plays that I completely forgot. Wait, can we talk about Kurt Warner first?

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Matt Chatham's, I think the same conference. I think they were, yeah. I think he talked about that. So, one double A. He goes undrafted in 1994, goes to the, gets picked up for the Packers training camp, competing with Brett Favre, Mark Brunel, and Ty Detmer. Jesus. The coaches, Mike Holmgren, Steve Mariucci, and Andy Reid. God damn, that's a fucking powerhouse. Yeah, all three agree he sucks.

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So then he goes to the arena league. And so in college too, as soon as he played a senior year, lit it on fire. He goes to the arena league, lights it on fire. He like wins two arena bowls. He's like first in the league and yards and touchdowns, all these stats. He gets a tryout with the bears. And before he goes, he goes to his honeymoon before training camp gets bit by a spider.

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What? And can't compete at camp. Where did he go on his honeymoon? I don't know. Australia. It's got to be Australia. Yeah. Something fuck off spider business. I see Sneaky, I think. You know how he was super religious? This is just a theory, but he wasn't, you know, he's saving himself for marriage. I don't even know if that's true. But as soon as he busted a nut, instead of that, like, you know, that, like, two minute moment of clarity you have? Yeah. He just had, like, a six month.

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He's like, fuck this, dude. What am I doing? That's my theory. So then he goes to NFL Europe, plays for the Amsterdam Admirals with his backup, Jake DeLome. Didn't know that either.

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and then Trent Green towards ACL and all of a sudden your starter is Kurt Warner 1999. What does he do? He throws for 4,300 yards, 41 touchdowns, 65% completion percentage, 14 touchdowns in his first four games. That's crazy. Wins the MVP, wins the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl.

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MVP all in his first season in the NFL. Just a ridiculously meteoric rise. How old was he when he first got a shot? Because he went 45. He graduated college in 93. So. Yeah. 27 ish. Yeah. Graduated 21. Late 20s. Yeah. And then signs a seven year contract.

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Yeah, for real. And then the rest is kind of history. I mean, back to back MVP or two out of three years MVP. I mean, he lit it up in 01. So this is his third year in the league. And he's just been, this is like, I think the height of his career.

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Yeah. I mean, he falls apart after this game. But this is... Yeah. Actually, funnily enough, it was a lot to do with the thumb. So you get the thumb injury in this game. And I think that carried him for like four years. Well, I remember, I don't even think he got it in this game. I think he got it at the beginning of the season. Yeah, that's what they were saying on the broadcast. Because in the last game of it. Yeah. And he's still having issues with it. They're talking about him.

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He would explain it. And sometimes he would. He'd dumb it down. So stuff that I'm like, yeah, no shit. But then I remember that comment Mom must have made years ago where she loved him because he would explain to her when she had no idea what the hell was going on. Right, absolutely. And he jokes around too. Yeah, he was having a great time with it. When the rest are talking about that holding call and the guy held his hand for like 10 seconds. Did you see that part? He's like, he must got a good one. Look at his eyes.

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They're not super biased either. He didn't seem to be crazy biased. No, it was more just excited to watch a football game. Kind of like you see with Tony Romo these days. We're just excited to see football being played. It had that joyful feeling to it to me. Also, this is the best Super Bowl logo of all time, in my opinion. Super Bowl logos, I don't even remember them really, but this one, it's awesome. This was the peak.

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They were kind of samey after this one. And then eventually they all got standardized and now they're the same thing every year. Yeah. I don't know why they do that either. It's stupid. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't tell you. Apparently it was supposed to be something different too. What do you mean? Yeah. They had a different logo and they were like, they, they had sold some merchandise with the old logo. And then obviously the, the, the nine 11 thing, there's a lot of patriotic themes around the Superbowl. So,

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When BJ Bell, the underdog, made the team so he could play with his brother. Kelly, it's a clear sign you're on quarantine. I can hear her in the background yelling at you. She's been cussing from downstairs. It was tears of happiness. All right, still tears over our KISS football team.

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All right. So we may have to in the future do a bye week episode or something. It's worth it. There's enough to talk about there to unpack, as they say. It should be like a mini series of like a review each episode. Yeah. Well, maybe not that much. Yeah. Even better. All right. Do you have any more? I had some some Kurt Warner notes, actually. What do you got? So I noticed it in the last game, but they didn't talk about it.

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It's post-nut clarity. So they put that there while it was healing so it wouldn't come because he apparently lost his voice for like a week or two. Not a great thing. No. So they had it there for that and then they left it there so it wouldn't get a fucking crazy injury to get. Yeah. Does that even extend far enough down? No. I think it did because he took a shot like directly in that spot from William McGinnis at one point. Oh, yeah. He stayed in there late and just like,

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I'm not throwing anything up there. It's true. Let me just give you a taste of some of them. So at the beginning, you know, when the Rams started the ball, they showed the rankings of the offense and defense. The Rams offense was best in the NFL. The Patriots defense somehow 24th in the NFL. Yeah. I'm using for that yards. Probably. Maybe. Even that. Yeah. 24 seems real low even for yards.

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offense and also scored three touchdowns. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. That goes back to our three phases of the game. Defense wins championships. Yep. Can you name the five Hall of Famers that started for the Rams in this game? Ooh. Bruce. Yep. Warner. Yep. Even Hall of Fame. Who's the left tackle? Lando Pace. Yep.

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Wow. Well done, guys. I didn't think we'd get that. I don't think we'd get any of those. Also, the white defensive back Hall of Famer, Adam Archuleta. Just taking snaps gets you in the white defensive back Hall of Fame. Him and Jason Seahorn. Dre Bly was sick, too. I loved Dre Bly. They had a good secondary. That's a pretty dope name, too.

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And he's like, Ricky Prol shampoos his way for a first down. Or I'd hear Hakim when he used to go, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Oh, fuck he did, didn't he? My favorite permanisms. Oh, they're all my favorite. You're a genius. You really is, yeah. Well, all right. I mean, should we talk about this game a little bit? I guess.

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Yeah. All right. So opening quarter, the Rams actually took the lead, which I had forgotten. It's the only lead they'd have. Yeah. Like the 50 yard field goal, which at the time was the third longest field goal. It was only the third field goal of over 50 yards. They put up a whole bunch of stats on that. Like, yeah, that's the third longest field goal. And he's like, yeah, that's one of three 50 yard field goals. Well, no shit. If it's the third longest field goal and it's 50 yards, then the other two are going to be at least 51 or more. And then, uh,

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This game was the same thing. He started off the first quarter and a half averaging a yard a carry and then started wearing them down and breaking bigger runs. It's the Derrick Henry effect. Yeah, exactly the same idea. We're going to Corey Dillon. Second quarter was probably the most agate Rams. Actually, to open the second quarter missed a longer field goal, 52 yards. Wait, wait, wait. We're not doing best

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worst for quarters? We're going to do it by the half. Oh, jeez. Why? You got a best worst for every goddamn quarter? Yeah, of course. All right, you know what? Fuck it, let's do it. Oh, good. I don't have any. I mean, either. Fuck it, for sure. Bullshit. You said we didn't do nothing in the first quarter. We set the tone. There's back-to-back plays where Tabucky absolutely laid lumber. Oh, yeah. That one on the sidelines. Yeah, that one on the sidelines. Yeah, where they over-serve a little bit. He's de-cleated. Was it Isaac Bruce?

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I don't know if this is in the first quarter, but Madden or Summerall asked Madden if he had prowled Bourbon Street earlier in the week. I don't know if prowl is the right word, but yes, I made a stop there on Tuesday. Monday and Tuesday. Yeah.

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I think that's all I had written down. We'll call it best and worst. The question was the worst. Answer was the best. Love it. Did you have a worst? Did you do a worst? Just ridiculous to yell. You can't get right to yell. Also, they came out as a team. They kind of set that whole bar. Most people remember that. I have a note here. When did the Crazy Train intro start?

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as Matt kind of mentioned in the interview. Yeah. Just because of the 9-11, they pushed everything back. And I guess they didn't do two weeks back then in between the conference game and the Super Bowl. I didn't think so. Because I was thinking, why wouldn't they just make the two weeks one week and then keep it the same day? But they actually had to move this game back a week. Yeah. That's what I thought. Really? Yeah.

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I googled the crazy train thing. There's a blog post by the guy who used to work for the Patriots that did all this. He said he did it in 98. Yep. So it did start before that. Yeah. They used to come out to jock jams. Are you ready for this? This is not a ring a bell. Yep. Also, did you know that Janet Jackson was supposed to perform halftime? Really? But they pushed it. Yeah. And they pushed.

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and turmoil like rips off. Get a chest. Put the titty out. What a tribute. Everyone's just like saluting around them. Holy shit. Tone deaf. You know. That seems to be the theme of this podcast episode. Not where I expected this one to go. I'm not going to lie. All right. Second quarter.

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Roman Pfeiffer played safety and laying lumber literally on the first play. Yep. And Kurt Warner take an absolute shot. Well, they were playing a big zone. It looks like he just got a really deep drop. Yeah, it was almost like a 10-2. Yeah, he looked out of place. Yeah. The likes of Laura Malloy. He was still towering. What an athlete though, huh? Right? Yeah. Also, Grant Winstrom looked pretty good. He did. That dude was awesome.

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I had forgotten about him but he was a good player. He like they did like a zone blitz where he like dropped into coverage and covered Kevin Falk. Yeah. Yeah. Covered pretty well. Yeah. Yeah. Well I thought there was a Richard Seymour was out there running down Marshall Falk. Yeah. One of those past plays where it looked like he was actually supposed to be in coverage too because Marshall Falk came out of the backfield and the guy that peeled off to cover him was Richard Seymour which doesn't seem particularly. I mean he still got beat for like 10 yards but.

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Yeah, but he still ran his ass down. You look good doing it. Although I will say, if we're going to give him some shit, we got to give him some props for his sack. He literally takes the right guard and throws him aside like the guy's just a child. And then just runs straight after him. He's like a cartoon. He is, yeah. A cartoon monster or something. He's just bigger than everybody else. He just looks like he's playing with younger kids.

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It's like Gronk. That same sort of like, it's just too big to be what. Let's go back to the second quarter. So, um. Greg, you want to do your best for this quarter? Oh, I think you know Steve. I think we'll leave that until we get to it because I think it's going to be Greg's. Um, yeah, so the, uh, the Rams miss a 52 yarder and the Pats get the ball at their own 41, which is by far the best.

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on coverage. Yeah, it's some weird stuff where he goes out into the cornerback spot. Yeah, he was out covering somebody out past the numbers. And then it was like a Falk run and he almost chased him down from behind. I was like, Jesus. Yeah, no, he was in there for more plays than I remember because I was keeping an eye out for him too. And he was in there for a lot of short running plays and he made some tack. But it's like those things, that play would not have registered at all for me without that sort of knowledge. Oh, yeah.

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I can't help myself doing it. Every time the Rams got the ball and they got the ball into Falk's hands, my whole body would kind of test it. Tackle, tackle. Even though I know how this goes and I've seen this play before. Is that with you, Steve? I'm with Andy, yeah. Really? I've been getting worked up on these games for sure. I can't help myself. And then even some of the other games we've done earlier this season, I don't remember them at all. Yeah. So it's like watching a brand new game for me is great.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then Warner just kind of floats one up there and Ty catches it in stride and does the infamous like hand up as he's crossing and then like the dusting of the ground celebration. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely iconic. Correct. I used to do that after every good thing I did.

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Yeah, being a Ty Law fan and for him to get a pick six in the Super Bowl. Yeah. You know, on the biggest stage, it was just, it was, and then he was so swaggy about it too. That was like, cause that's what you loved about Ty Law is that confidence. And it was pretty special. Huge momentum play. Yeah. But I do have a note here. That's a personal foul these days. That's true. Got him in the head. Pretty good.

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That right tackle just totally blew it to. I forget who it was. And then he goes out for us. I think it was just, well, that was the right tackle who was their backup because their original one got hurt earlier. No, this was his last play, they said. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Oh, no, you're right. You're right. You're right. But like, if you watch the replays, you can see him turn inside and then he turns and looks at him going, crushing the quarterback and he like claps his hands and they're like, ah, shit. Fuck that one up. Yeah.

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The second ever pick six in the Super Bowl. Is the first one something we'd know? Maybe. It happened the year before. That's the Ravens-Giants Super Bowl? I don't really remember that too much. It is. It was the one year after too, right? Because that dude from the Tampa Bay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he won MVP. There were three the year after.

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It seems on pro football reference. I'm not seeing it. Super Bowl MVP 0-3. Dude. Jackson. Baltimore won the Super Bowl the year before against the Giants. Yeah. I have no recollection of that. It was like the boring, most boring game of all time. That was the one where they had that historic defense. Yeah. Trent Dilfer. That's the one, the one that everybody had. Oh. That's the worst quarterback ever. Is Ed Reed around? He's not, right? Nope. Not yet. Not yet.

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Boulware era? Is that a name? No. You think of Kyle Bowler? No. Boulware. The linebacker? Oh yeah. I think that makes sense. Okay. Rod Woodson right? That's what Rod Woodson era? Oh yeah. Well at least we finally got an exciting

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Outrageous. I can't think of another safety. Maybe a defensive player won the Ravens one as well, but not since then. He'll just fall into the category other. Yeah, Ray Lewis won. They don't even put up numbers on those dudes. Yeah, I know. You got a call to get odds. All right.

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He would make up for it later. Then I got a football or not football. I wasn't quite sure. Oh, okay. I don't know if this has to be the one I'm thinking of too. They said, I think it was John Madden. He said, throw a guy a bone and then you throw him two bones in a row. It's actually not the one I was thinking of. No, not the one I was thinking of either. Andy, you have to have the one I've written.

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I'll say it. All right. You say it. When he said, what do you think Ty Law thinks when he sees 270 pounds of meat coming at him? I had something else actually. What? I heard that. I was like, there's no way anybody missed that. I don't even know his name because they were talking about the Rams fullback. And Matt goes, his nickname is meat. Yeah. I've never heard anybody more excited about a nickname.

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Yeah, that was the same play. Yeah. Now, Matt was talking about, I don't even remember the situation. I don't like something to do with having his fingers moving under there or something like that. I think it had to do with Kurt Warner getting his thumb hurt. It's like, oh, you know, when you have your fingers under there, things can happen. Oh, fuck. But to answer his question,

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What? Them being a dynasty. I know, but he's the one before the game even starts, turns to the camera, goes, tonight a dynasty is born. Ooh. Yeah. And then, like, every time he catch a ball, he would fucking celebrate a whole lot for the fucking four-string wide receiver, I think. Oh, it sounds like Andy doesn't like Ricky Pearl. Well, I'd always thought that I hated Ricky Pearl because he killed us in this game and re-watching it, I'm like, no. I must have been thinking about

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Antoine Harris, baby. Yep. Shout out. The most underrated MVP candidate on this team. He's made a couple big plays lately. He's a lot better than Terrence Shaw. Back to back weeks? Well, yeah. He got injured, right? Didn't Shaw get injured on that Roman Pfeiffer hit in the first quarter? I don't remember who it was. I'm pretty sure it was Shaw. Yeah. But they're only playing all these guys because they're going with that five.

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So that this team is built. Yeah. This team is built to play on this surface. And the Patriots are coming off like, yeah, coming off two wins to get there that are like slug fest. So you can kind of understand where that spread came from. Oh yeah. Especially since when they played in the Patriots in, in Foxborough on the, the non turf and they still put up. Yep. Look sloppy doing it, but they still hold away at the end. No problem. I didn't notice that.

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Everybody was bleeding though. Probably from falling on that turf. Oh, yeah. Did you ever play on that stuff? No. I played indoor on it. Indoor soccer for a while. Back in the day. Yeah. Fucking terrible. It was just like a thin layer of like carpet with like covering concrete. It's green carpet on concrete. Yeah. It's awful. The stuff they got now is great though. Little rubber pellets. Yeah, better. Although you find rubber pellets in places you didn't even know you had.

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Three days later. But from a visual standpoint, the turf is pretty cool. Yeah. Green turf. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like the Pats field doesn't look great on TV now at July, but the colors were popping in this game. Yeah, that's true. The blue jerseys on the green grass. Dude, imagine if the Rams had their old school yellow and blue. Oh, yeah. That would have been cool.

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Yeah. It's like, or even the Patriots read. Oh yeah. Yeah. Anybody else got an erection? Yeah. That sound you heard was me unzipping my pants. So I wear sweatpants to these. Who wears pants? It's true. I don't know where to go. I do. Also, I went down, you know, I went down the LA kiss rabbit hole.

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The most disgusting pair of sweatpants ever. For sale? Yeah. It was just like a full-size Gene Simmons face. Oh yeah, I just did it. Well, I got the kiss where their faces are right above your dick. Oh yeah, they have some of the tackiest shit ever. I heard like an animal moaning. Oh, that was my stomach.

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around left tackle. And the left tackle is the guy that Matt Light got injured. And this guy had just come in for this drive. And I don't even recognize his name. Yeah, me either. Williams. Something Williams. Yeah, something Williams. And he pulled out and he blocked two guys on that one play and sprung Falk not only for the first down, but he was able to get out of bounds. He didn't get down like five, yeah.

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Yeah. And then like two plays later, the Brady to Patton touchdown in the corner there. Shades of the week before, Bloodsoda Patton in that back corner falling away. My best was like in like the live broadcast that's on YouTube. They had like a different camera angle for that. Oh, they did. Yeah. Like usual is from like the corner of the end zone. Yeah. And it was like set up perfectly to watch like Brady's throw to him.

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Oh, it was the perfect angle for that play goal. You're absolutely right. Like, I don't know, you see it from the replays, you think it puts a lot more air under it, but it wasn't. It was kind of a bullet. Oh, yeah, he hucked it in there. That was a tough catch, though. Yeah. I think it's a better catch than it was a throw. I agree. Yeah, I agree with that. And it was an awesome route. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Gave him those wiggle hips, you know? See you later. Brady pumped it, too.

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This is the Rams' first time trailing by more than eight points all year. Yeah, that was great. At the end of this, at the end of the half. One was that that was Tom Brady's first touchdown pass in the last 83 attempts. A bum. Not great, but, you know, timely. Yeah, this is the first time that the Rams have trailed by more than eight points this season at all. And then right on the ensuing kickoff for this,

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It was the biggest Super Bowl fact. The biggest halftime deficit overcome is seven points. Oh, yeah. They love the overcome. Now, 14 to three. Which, you know, is great and kind of sets the table for, you know, year 20 of this podcast. But. Well, also that I mean, that fumble is huge. Like, I don't think people really talk about that play much. The Antoine Harris fumble, but I mean. Massive. Fourteen three.

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If the Rams go down and score there, you're talking about being down at half. This is a whole different. Yep. Still 7-3 and it's anybody's game. Yeah. Two scores down. 14-3. You go into that locker room thinking, we can win this fucking thing. Especially since the Patriots are getting the ball back. To be able to do that score and then get the ball back and try again. It's a whole momentum. The offense hadn't done anything. Even this whole game, the offense.

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It doesn't really do much until that last drive. It's true. Every single point. Yeah, a whole season. Never mind this game. I can't think of a game this season where I've been like, wow, this offense is a wagon. The only one was the... Didn't watch it. Yeah. I didn't watch any of the games. They haven't been a wagon at all. Based on what you guys have been telling me.

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Right before the half just went down and completed plays of like at least 20 yards. A bunch of them. And I think they either kicked a field goal or scored a touchdown like right before the half. Typical what you see the Patriots do these days. And they actually sent Marshall Falk back to return the kick too. Instead of E.O. Murphy. And Vinatieri kicks it away from Falk. Like right on the sidelines.

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So that when Falk catches it, his momentum takes him out of bounds at the six. Which he could have just let it bounce and it probably going out of bounds. Exactly. It was a super ballsy kick to do in the fucking Super Bowl. Because if he lets that bounce out of bounds, the Rams get the ball to 40 and it could be a completely different thing. It's now 30 seconds left instead of being at your own six and they just take a knee and go in half. So two plays changed this whole shape of this Super Bowl. Yeah, I don't think Marshall Falk was comfortable doing that.

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No, I don't think he returns kicks very often. You know what? Someone needs to tell Mike Martz, do your job. And yo, Murphy was good. He was a good return guy. He had that 40-yard return to open the game and I thought he actually provided him a pretty good spark. And that's the whole theory behind it all, right? It's like don't change things just because this is an important game. Just do your job. And Mike Martz is going, oh God, we need to do something here. We're down 14-3. We need a spark.

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Yeah. No. Don't do that. Just do your job. You want to hear a quote from John Madden? Yeah. This Patriots defense has done their job. Yeah. Why did you write that down? Because it would be a fucking quote later on from Bill Belichick. Okay. All right. I thought you were just writing down everything you heard. For the next like 20 fucking years. How many pages you got over there, Andy?

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I have four pages and then I have all the screenshots. So it turns out. I know you send us your show notes. I never read them. I'd never read them either. I don't even know. I think my own notes. I have two and a half pages. I have a half a page on Kurt Warner and then nothing else. And you didn't watch the game. And somehow you're contributing. God damn it. Rain, man. Yeah, exactly.

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He's big. He was built like a brick shithouse. Is that what a halfback is? Somewhere between a running back and a fullback? I think halfback was just originally a running back. Yeah, it was that position like back in the... Which never made sense. Why isn't it? I just invented a fucking perfect description, didn't I? Love it. Sure. He's somewhere between a fullback and a running back, right? Yeah. Patrick Pass, halfback. Why don't you call him a half a halfback?

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I see what you did there Steve. Yo, your mom so dumb she thought a quarterback was a refund. Cool. God damn. That was my go to joke when I was a kid. Yeah, shocking. It doesn't really work when I say it's my brothers but you know. You get the point. Luckily we know mom doesn't listen to this even though we've been shouting around every fucking episode.

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Mom! Mom! Mom! Oh, she can't figure out the phone. Can't figure out technology. That's a sucker. I can't hear you very well. Oh, you're in the middle of it. Oh, you're doing your thing. Hi, Mom. Hi, Mom. Oh, my goodness. You're in the middle of it. Yeah, we were just talking about you, Mom. So are you, Mom. You're

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How often do you call your mother, Steve? She calls him all the time. Once every 10 days, maybe. Oh, she calls me like every like three days and complains about you. So I figured it was more free. She was just calling me to tell me how much of a good, good boy I am. That's correct. Whoa. That's funny.

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Where were we? Antoine Smith just pounding the rock. Yeah, but I feel like they killed the momentum by taking that shot there. I don't know. I kind of like that. Yeah, I liked his rationale. What's his name? John Madden. John Madden. You know, you're already up. They're expecting you to ground and pound. You're in good field position. Grounding and pounding was working. Yeah, they didn't have a shot. If he hits that.

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He's a great deep ball thrower. He's always, he's never been the strength. I thought he's like, he becomes decent and pretty good because that was never his game. You fucking listen here, Steve. How dare you? Zone coverage. We have another Chatham fighting right after this. Yes. Not one of his better things.

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and then he took three real shots in a row. Yeah, Big Rich got him real good on one. Yeah, that was the one where he just tossed the guard aside like he wasn't there. Then the next play, Pfeiffer, that delayed safety blitz and just absolutely blows him up again. He's a tough son of a bitch, Warner. He really is, yeah. He was just standing there taking it the whole time. He was bleeding from the chin, all sorts of shit. I like Warner. Yeah, I like him too.

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Yeah. I want him to be the new Monday night guy. He does the radio. Oh, does he? For Monday night. Yeah. He's pretty good. I bet he'd be good at that. Yeah. He's certainly better than him. I just have a good grasp of how the game works, you know? Or Brett Favre. Maybe. He's a good old boy. You can't tell me Brett Favre isn't charismatic. That's probably true. Everybody loves Brett Favre.

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Yeah, he's going to ad-lib the whole thing. Yeah, he would. He's going to get a bunch of shit wrong, too, but he's also going to get a bunch of shit right. Gunslinger. Yeah, how many times a game is going to use Gunslinger? Oh, he just shows up in his thing. I'm calling a Patrick Mahomes game. Oh, God. He doesn't wear a suit. He just comes in his blue jeans. The blue jean tuxedo.

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I wrote that down. It wasn't like, and I'm pretty sure that's illegal now too. Yeah. And then it probably was legal then, but it was the Superbowl. So you don't call it. Well, it is like the ass smack. It was like, I'm sorry. And Isaac Briss just whips his ass. Yeah. Well, that's the whole thing. Like, I think they're getting in their heads by just being like overtly physical with the receivers. Yeah. And I think it was getting in Warner's head too, because all the timing is thrown off.

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Wheatley and Sean, our boy, to kind of try and cover them. Well, that's always been the patient's defensive game plan, to take away your best options and have you beat them with your third guy, right? But, I mean, the third guy is awesome on this team, too. It's true, yeah. I mean, you could even make a case for Ricky Prole as much as I hate him. Good wide receiver. Trung candidate had like eight touchdowns? Right, yeah. I read your notes, Andy. Just now? I read them.

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I was just giving you a hard time. I read them sometimes, but not often. If you read them, you'd know you had six sessions, but that's okay. Six? That's still a lot. For a backup running back? Yeah. And something about him being like a Kiefer Sutherland character. Yeah, his name sounds like a bad Fox TV drama. Yeah. The drunk candidate. Tuesday nights at nine. Only on Fox.

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Yeah. So yeah, this team is just a wagon, right? You have to have a perfect game. Not only, I mean, you see the game plan, and I bet it's not that crazy to think of, right? Get physical with them. A lot of teams probably thought that. But this is like perfect execution, right? You get opportunistic turnovers. You scored points on defense. You're hitting them at every opportunity. I mean, they're still gaining a decent amount of yards, but

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They were. You've held them to three points through three quarters. It's about as good as you can ask for. You can run the ball. Yeah. Turn the clock a bit. Yeah. I mean, like Chatham said, if they hadn't played them early in their year, I bet they lose this game. Yeah. I said that too. In that game, I said it was the most important loss of the Patriots dynasty. And I was laughed out of the room by Greg and Mike. Yeah, that's fair. Well, I just disagree with anything you say.

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Really? I hadn't noticed. That hasn't been going on for fucking 30 years. I'm just testing you to see how strong your convictions are, Andy, that's all. Like any good brother would do. Speaking of testing convictions, the next Rams drive,

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Yeah, what was his name, Greg? Dude, Space and Two. Yeah, you're the one that brought him up earlier as well. Winstrom. Yes, yeah, yes, Winstrom. Yeah, he blew that playoff as well. But yeah, it leads to a military field goal, so now we're at 17-3 going into the fourth quarter. So yeah, without that, the Rams score two touchdowns would be down, which is exactly what happened. But I mean, I don't know if there are any more things to talk about in the third quarter to do best and worst, unless you guys have something.

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I blew all my best with Pat Summerall getting foiled by that direct snap. I know, that was my favorite. Yeah, the running back. Yeah, let's jump into the fourth quarter. Yeah, because this is where it gets good. Well, the Rams start kind of figuring it out. Well, yeah, all right, so good. I mean, it ends good, but it starts. Does it? Well, it starts really good because the Rams drive all the way down and they're going for fourth and goal from the

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The Patriots only care about the three cone anyway. If you want to make a non-athletic person look really non-athletic, make them do the triple G-O. It's like the least intuitive athletic thing ever. So you just look like a fucking idiot. Maybe we should have combine stats. I'll do it. We'll see if we can figure that out. We'll do it when we're in North Carolina summer. Yeah, maybe the next time we're all together.

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It's a lag. Should have been touchdown. Should have been game over. So, yeah. So, Tabucki picks up the fumble at the one-yard line, at the goal line, and runs it all the way back for a touchdown. It would have been 24-3, and then the game, again, is over. Yeah. Ten minutes left. Huge swing. 14-point swing. Rams get the ball back in a first down at basically the one-yard line. Two plays later, Kurt Warner, QB sneak, goosed him, like we talked about. Yeah. And Aaron just ran short of the middle, scores a touchdown.

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And Pat Summerall's like, what just happened? Didn't realize it was a touchdown for like five seconds. Which definitely let John Madden go on about goosing. And then this is where the Patriots offense, they go three and out pretty much every drive. I feel like that always happens, right? Well, like, I don't know. The play call gets super conservative and they just try to grind clock and they just go three bounds and out, three and out, three and out.

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Not just with the pages, but just in general, I feel like. Yeah, in football. It's momentum, baby. Yeah, I think that has something to do with it. Yeah, once your B-hole starts clenching. Yeah, you start getting conservative in the play calling, and you start getting conservative in just like how you're running the plays. Even like execution, right? You're like, you don't want to make the play that blows it. Yeah. I mean, the past D kept playing pretty well, though.

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Well, playing defensively is pretty instinctual, right? You just like running around. But if you're a tight window here, do I just let it rip or do I check down? You know? Right, yeah. And so in this game, this is where Brady would be checking down. Yeah. Well, until the last drive he would. Yeah. Yeah. But at that point, you're not, you're a tie game. You're not trying to contain that lead. You're just seeing what you can do on this last drive and then whatever happens, happens. But there's still that thing that Greg just said,

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almost within field goal range. So we're getting kind of close until Willie McGinnis comes out and puts a stop to the drive with a huge sack. Forcing the ramps to punt. Well, Willie's celebration there too. You could tell was exhausted. He's laying on his back. Thank fucking God. At the ceiling. Yeah. Yeah. That was amazing. Yeah. He knew that that was getting them off the field and getting them. Exactly. Yep.

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It did feel like a little disjointed all the way through. But the punt was probably Ken Walters' worst punt of the season. Can we say? Absolutely awful punt. I think they said it went 30 yards. And then they cut to Brad Seeley and he's like, what the fuck is that? The refs or the lee? Both? Because that was the wide-eyed holding call. Would they re-kick it or not?

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Of course you are. Are you guys kidding me? They called it a little pick. It's only a pick. It's a rub. You mean to tell me if the Patriots ran that play on offense, you'd be saying the same thing? Yeah. I'd be celebrating the touchdown because it didn't get a call. It's only a pick if they actively get in the way of the player. He did. He ran and grabbed it. He cleared it out so much.

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Patriots will battle through that. Yeah. Ricky Proll, the, he of dynasty fame scores a touchdown. Shampoos his way into the end zone. That's right. Proll's his way into the end zone. And now we've got ourselves a tie game with how much time left? Under a minute? Yeah. No, 137. It took, yeah. It took them a total.

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I would have like 24 seconds to score that touchdown. And three plays. Three plays, 18, 11, and then 26. So that kind of puts in context what you're thinking of when Madden's like, maybe they shouldn't be doing this. Yeah. Like you throw three incompletions and then punt. They don't even need to get a touchdown. Yeah, exactly. But like flip side to that is like, if you go to overtime, like what's going to happen there too, right? Right. Exactly. Yeah.

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If that means the Patriots are going to win, I'll do it. I'll do everything for a win. Did I ever tell you about that time that before Kelly and I were dating when I was at her apartment when she wasn't there? Because we were friends, obviously. And she had left her laptop open. And I pulled my nutsack out of my jeans and through the zipper. And I took a photo with her computer and made her background just

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a full-sized picture of my nuts. So she opened her computer in class. Oh, no. And was just staring at my big old bag of nuts. Oh, you little squirrel brain there. Oh, man. And then we found love and we got married. Which is not false. So Ben.

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Biggest drive of yeah. That's a Brady hanging it off. Right. Well, before that, we gave Mike March shit about putting Falk back there for the exact same thing with Troy Brown. We're trying to kick off all the way back to the 17 yard line. Yeah. Nine seconds. Just run around. Yeah. Coaching. You know. Wow. All right. You're just going to go out there. We do not agree. Yeah.

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I mean, like I said, Patrick Pass, surprisingly a good return. It wasn't like they weren't getting nothing out of the return game. Right. Or if you're going to do something like that, have a play in your back pocket. Like maybe, I don't know, maybe there was something. Like Troy handles punts, right? And he's got that short-eared quickness. Like that makes more sense than taking Marshall Falk and be like, all right, we need to spark Marshall, go out there and return this kick. Like what? For the first time. I mean, he had done it before.

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First ever kick return. Was there a play in an important game where the Pats tried this and they did like one of those reverse ones? That was vaguely real. Maybe we'll get to that somewhere down the road. But I expected that to be coming and then it like failed miserably. Which is, yeah. Yeah. 17. I mean, this is similar, but it didn't seem like they had a plan, you know? Yeah, yeah. Marshall Falk returned one punt in 2000, one in 2004.

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Or if you're going to have something unique. Like a Frank Wichek. I guess it worked out. Falk started on the 6th. Troy started on the 17th. 11 yards better. That's right. What's your favorite play on this last drive? We all know the favorite. Favorite play is obviously Troy Brown. What's your second favorite play? The intentional grounding they didn't call. Yeah.

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He stays in bounds there. We're kind of fucked. We're on the 40 and the clock is ticking. Yeah. And you'll see that type of play maybe once a season, just randomly in college or NFL. And every time I see it, I go, that's the J.R. Redman play. He got out of bounds. Or more often, you'll see the guy doesn't get out of bounds and tries to get a couple more yards and gets three

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after that though, because they're, I think that puts them at the 36 after Troy Brown's catch. Yeah. So now I think it would have been a 52 or 53 yard field goal, Madden was saying, or something. And so then they still run one more play. Brady finds Wiggins, his redemption, because he dropped a big one earlier. Yes, he did. That almost got picked. He batted it straight up. Scared the shit out of me. So Wiggins for six yards down to the 30.

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and then the iconic Brady spiking the ball and catching it with one hand and just holding it there. More great commentating from John Madden there. Yes. Yes. Iconic commentary too. Yep. Walk me through it. I said like what Brady did just gave me chills or something like that. Oh yeah. It gave him goosebumps. That gave me goosebumps. It actually did. It gave me goosebumps when he said that. I think he said something like what that kid right there just did. Yeah.

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are super bowl champions so electric yeah i just got just the like the first part of that like brings you back to childhood like listening to games in the car yeah we used to always call out the hash mark yeah it goes to be like left to right or you know like it was the best radio commentator i remember

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He would paint that picture immediately. I mean, just like visualize it when you're not watching. I never like paid any attention to it. I always did. Yeah. Because I always used to try picture it in my mind. Oh, I never really paid attention to either, Greg. Yeah. I mean, it was cool. Like filler noise that like now looking back is nostalgic, but I never was like, all right. Okay. So I'm near hash left to right. You know, I never did. But I never realized I did it until he retired.

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and the new guy was so he started doing it and he doesn't do that and it started driving me nuts i'm like what's going on like where's the ball i don't understand what down is it how like what's the down and distance it's sneaky cool like starting a game on the radio and then like you get to your house and you start watching it on tv yeah i'm being like this is what not what i picture in my head at all exactly it's always different some games where we would mute the tv and put the radio in front of it oh so much better yeah

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the snow angel. Yeah. It's just great. You're right, Greg. It brings you right back. I remember like standing up and punching the ceiling so hard that I like shredded my knuckles on the popcorn ceiling. I think dad did the same thing. Yeah. Because every time I talk, he's still, that's still the first thing he talks about is scraping his. Fucking set of balls on Adam and Terry, huh? 48 yard. That could have been a 50 something. Yeah. With a, with a stat on the screen,

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that says has never missed a field goal in a dome. And he just says, fuck you, buddy. Goddamn right I haven't. And then they bring that set up every single time he kicks in a dome too. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, another stat that I forgot was the New England Patriots early in the fourth quarter. They showed a stat. They're 11-0 record when leading after three quarters. So the Patriots were 12-0 after leading. In their franchise history?

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The youngest to win a Super Bowl. Oh, really? Yeah. That's a pretty sick bookend to your career, though, right? The youngest quarterback to win a Super Bowl at the time and then the oldest to win a Super Bowl. That kind of speaks to Brady's legacy, right? And it's still going if we're on it. Fuck him. He was 25 when he... He had barely raped his first woman at that point. Goddamn.

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We'll cut that part. I just like my mind instinctively goes to rape when I hear the name Ben Roethlisberger. Jeez. All right. So let's do some best and worst. Greg, what are your best and worst of this game? Can I phone a friend? Yes. Andy, what are your best? Let me, you guys go first. I haven't thought of, I haven't. All right.

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I always that's like burned in my mind in my memory yeah it's just I don't know it's just a cool unique reaction yeah and yeah Belichick hugging more Molloy and yeah pretty cool yeah yeah there were there were a lot of images that were like seared in my memory from this game you know like obviously him catching the ball with the one hand yeah you know even Gil Santos's call like those

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He ended up tripping, but it looked like he knew what Bruce was running before he did. And the filming practice thing did cross my mind. I was like, there's no way anybody's that good. It's title law. Yeah. So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. And Dre Bly did that later on in the game too. Yeah. On that crosser or that slant. On that slant play. He knew what was coming. So maybe.

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Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe Marshall Falk is so upset about this because he knows that... Gillsy conscience....actually did film it. Yeah. It's assumed that everybody's doing it. It's like those pastors that preach about hating gays and then they're banging choir boys on the side. Yeah. At the Matt's bathroom with their stances wide. He huffed off, protests too much, me says, or some shit like that. I definitely butchered that. I'll tell you. You guys know it?

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You're right. I have no control over what's getting cut. Andy does it all. And since this is the end of the season, shout out Andy Brown. Yeah. Organizing all the editing, all the internet database, the whole fucking nine yards. Social media, tweet net, Matt, Chad, I'm doing everything. Yeah. This isn't possible without you, Andy. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. Oh, good. I'm glad you guys enjoyed it.

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