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2002 Week 10: Patriots at Bears

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The Brown brothers discuss the best game you don't remember: a massive 4th quarter comeback on the road against the Bears. Know how we know it's important? Greg actually watched the game!




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Episode Transcript

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother.

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It is Thursday, July 23rd, 2020. But today we're going to be taking you back to Sunday, November 10th, 2002. We're saying the date of the recording now? Yeah, just throw it in there just to see. All right. How'd it feel? You know, when they unearth the records of mankind and this podcast is held up as the sterling example of humanity, then it'll be good to have a date of when it was recorded on there.

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You should bury them next to your porny mags. That was my VHS tapes. Oh, yeah. Can I go on record and say that on July 23rd, I was in a real rotten mood? Because I'm in a bad mood. Why is that? Why are you in such a bad mood? I don't know. Maybe I need a vacation. Maybe you guys are annoying.

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Maybe I hate my wife. I don't know. I just... I'm just in a bad mood today. I understand why your wife gets introduced by mom as poor Kelly. Poor Kelly. More like poor Greg. Yeah, that's not a nickname that stuck for some reason. Shut up, Andy. I'm just stating facts. All right, maybe you should fix your microphone.

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I think I sound pretty good. It's going to be an interesting podcast. Yeah. All right. Speaking of assholes, the coach of the Chicago Bears, Dick Geron. I should have said Dick. I should have said Dick, yeah. I didn't want to. Come on, Andy. Even I admit that speaking of assholes, here's a guy named Dick.

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You know, he really missed out. Listen, if you want to do the transition... Wait, is he actually an asshole? Or is that just like your transition? Do you hate Dick Geron? Yes, because he, in 2001, won Coach of the Year over Bill Belichick. For the Bears? It feels highly disrespectful just to the sport of football. Well, hasn't Belichick only won it like twice? I don't even know if he's won it that many times. But yeah, probably.

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Stat check. How many times has Bill Belichick won Coach of the Year? I'm on it. I feel like when he retires, they're just going to rename that after him, right? Like all the greats get an award named after him. That feels like it fits. Three times. Three? Let's see if we can guess which year. 2007. I honestly can't think of another specific year. 2011 maybe? Close. 2003, 2004, one of those seasons?

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I mean, those are two guesses, but yes, 2003. 2012. Wrong way. 2010, they went 14-2. 2003, they went 14-2. And 2007, I'm not going to bring that up. Yeah. So Belichick hasn't won Coach of the Year since 2010. That's correct. Interesting. That's crazy. What year was the greatest extension? You know who has won one in that time, though?

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what the fuck is Jason Garrett? Want to coach the year? Yeah. What? He is the worst coach in the NFL right now. He's still a coach. Yeah. I feel like every season it's like, Oh yeah, they're going to fire him. He's been on the hot seat for five years at least. He's like, uh, what's his name? Has a crush on him. Like he did with Romo where you can do no wrong.

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Jerry Jones. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Dude, Ron Rivera's won it twice. I think he's a good coach. Bruce Arians won it twice. I think he's a good coach. Harbaugh. Yeah. Jim Harbaugh with the Niners. Has John won it? He has not. Sean McVay, Matt Nagy, that's kind of a, that one might not.

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started three quarterbacks that year and still went whatever they went and won the Super Bowl. That's true. Where did they go? 14-2. They went 14-2 that year? Yeah. One of those losses came to the Bills. Remember when Jacoby Brissett had one hand? Yeah, was playing with a bad passing hand. And one of them came with one of the backups, right? Yeah. They got three and one without Brady, right? Yeah.

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was when Brissette was hurt and they were like threatening to start Edelman at quarterback. And Brissette played anyway and didn't play well. Garoppolo won the Cardinals game, the opener, which they were super good then. Then the Dolphins, where he got hurt in the third. Brissette finished the Dolphins game. Then they beat the Texans on that. On Thursday night. I remember watching that game at Orioles. And then he got hurt. And then, yeah. What did they lose to? The Bills. It was like 16-0. Yeah.

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I watched that game in a bills bar and as I was leaving everyone I was everyone shitting all over me and I said enjoy your Super Bowl enjoy your Super Bowl enjoy your Super Bowl and you can see it in their face like fuck he's right still no update on my chicken wing hat oh from last year let's check the tracking yeah please I think we need an update on this I regretted that immediately by the

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I will send you some money if I can timeshare that. Timeshare? A hat? Yeah. How does that work? I just borrow it for a couple months. I don't even think it's shipped yet. For occasions? Yeah. I mean, I think I ordered it from like a bar. Which is probably not even open anymore. Anchor Bar Chicken Wing. Yeah. So, yeah. It's sitting in some dude's basement. It might be a while. Yeah.

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NFL season starts. When do they play the Bills? I think it's relatively early. I think so too. We'll have to make sure you have it by then. Agreed. Although you have to wear a mask. Did you hear that news? Yep. Don't tread on me. They said that they're going to require masks for any fans if they have fans for the NFL season. Yeah.

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Haven't a bunch of stadiums already said they're just not going to have fans? I think at least like some partial fan thing. I heard ideas like 25% is getting thrown around. Everyone listening to this podcast is laughing at us because the NFL season's already been canceled by the time this comes out. It's not going to get canceled. We'll see. They're going to laugh. Yeah, baseball is opening day is as we speak right now.

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This is exactly why Greg is so mad. Speaking of people who are super angry, Dick Geron, probably not particularly pleased either when he played the Patriots. An asshole. Noted asshole Dick Geron. Noted coach of the year award stealer. He's from Mass. He's from Swamp Sky. Did you know that? I did not. We've already decided this. We don't want to know about these people as people because then

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3-3 record on the season. This season, not so much. So speaking of fluke Coach of the Year awards, the Chicago Bears would finish his season 4-12. After starting off 2-0, by the way. Wow. They had come into this game losing their last six, so they were 2-6 at the point. So he won this previous year. Yeah. And followed it up by winning four more whole games. That's right. They did sound

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like that on the broadcast of like they were like really stressed and how disappointing of a year this was. Yeah. Oh alert for all of our three listeners Greg actually watched this game. I watched it from start to finish. Is that the first time you've done this Greg? No I watch all the good games. Yeah so I think with with this being such a momentous occasion being the first game of 2002 that Greg's watched how about he gives us his

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Only one touchdown. Yeah, I need more like storylines. Out of six, I'm giving it four and a half. Okay. Any watchability notes? Third quarter was just a dynamite quarter all in all. Yeah, it was like a sluggish game in the first half there.

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And then who did they bring in? Who apparently was already... He might have been the starter before that, but he had severe tendonitis. Jim Miller. Yes. Yeah, this Bears team... Jim Miller. Shitty luck. There's a throwback name. This is his last season in the NFL. Yeah. So Jim Miller was the starting quarterback before Chandler. And he was like kind of garbage, right? Well, yeah. They were talking about...

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They had a punt where the punt returner kind of fucked it up and fumbled it and muffed it. But our boy Matt Chatham had a 15-yard face mask, so it got called back and had to re-punt it into the wind and gain an extra 20 yards. And then the next play was that wide receiver pass from Bucket. Immediately a trick play touchdown. And now you're down. And then the very next drive, was it the very next drive he throws an interception? A couple drives later.

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And they still hadn't converted. They still hadn't converted a third down at that point either. No, they had not. They're 0 for whatever on third down. Yeah, it was like 0 for 5 or 6. But yeah, this game wasn't even being played at Soldier Field. It was because Soldier Field was being built. So this was played at Illinois University. Which is what? It's in Champaign. Miracle at Champaign. Right. Which isn't spelled like, which is not spelled like Champaign.

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Speaking of discovering the fountain of youth, how about that as a transition, Steve? You dick. Oh, I don't know. Ponce de Leon. That's... There you go. We're just making shit up now. Conquistador. After... What's his name? There's some like history guy out there that is just listening to this and going, Jesus Christ, these guys are fucking idiots. He gave a history teacher aneurysm. And we got like all four of the names he brought up.

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Oh, yeah. Like, oh, I like the Patriots. I like history. Let's listen to this. And they will never listen again. We're getting both of them. Yeah, we're correcting each other and getting them wrong on corrections. So after the Anthony Thomas literal walk-in touchdown, who also, great nickname, by the way, A-Train. A-Train. Love it. Oh, yeah. Fantastic. But the ensuing drive, I feel like this is one of the reasons we're spoiled with this.

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Patriots team and like Brady especially is why because he's got a massive set of nuts on him yeah you any other team that goes down three touchdowns in a quarter like they fold they you don't see them come back from that you know yeah and the Patriots their next drive they finally converted third down to who else Troy Brown um who actually started looking more like himself this game I thought and then a massive screenplay to Antoine and then Brady

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finally finds Falk for a touchdown to answer finally. So now they're only down two touchdowns. Right? Well, I had it all written out and then you guys interrupted me. That's how a podcast works, bro. Yeah, but my Kate, it was all about my Kate and so I listed all those things I was working against him and then I was like, what does Brady do? Eight plays, 75 yards, seven for seven in three and a half minutes, tutty. Damn right, yeah. Like that drive was, yeah,

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That clinical drive from Brady. Oh, yeah. And you could tell he just looked pissed off. He was sassy this game. He was. Super sassy. I think this is the perfect time. That's when he's best, too. To bring up the commentators. And not in a way you think that I'm going to do it. You like them. When I started, I wrote, this is not the varsity team. Who was it? Kevin Harlan and Randy Cross. They're okay.

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What does that even mean? To me, that sounds like you're a complete player. Well, Erlach was playing out of his gourd in this whole game. He had that sick pick on the two-point conversion. He had that amazing, like, just go through all the trash and crush Kevin Falk on the fake snap. He read that twice without getting fooled. He was all over the place. He did everything you'd want from a linebacker. He was pass rushing. He was stopping the run, and he was intercepting passes. How is that? You know what he was at doing? He didn't have any sacks, I think. Still.

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Well, I think that's what Randy Cross's thing was. Did Ray Lewis get a lot of sacks? Stat check? Oh. I know. That's why I'm asking you to fucking stat check. Jesus. Hey, Alexa. My pizza just showed up. I'll tell you. Alexa. We're on it right now. Hey, Siri. Oh, good. Hey, Siri. Total sacks. How many career sacks?

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Maybe it was racism. It's because he's white and bald. Brian Urlacher, for a while, I wanted that barbed wire tattoo around my bicep. Of course you did. Dude, it's so badass. No, it isn't. Well, when you're 13, it is. Yeah. Yeah. I thought Brian Urlacher was an absolute... I mean, I always loved him. Yeah.

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with Randy Cross is that he loved calling Tom Brady a mobile quarterback this entire game. He did say that. I was like, what the fuck? He had that one scramble on third down. He did. And relative to his competition that he was playing, he actually was significantly more mobile. I mean, I know Jim Miller, not a high bar to clear, but you know, a 21-year-old Tom Brady can actually scoot around him. Yeah. You can't hear me chewing, right?

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Yes. Oh, yeah. We can? Yeah. You want to give us a pizza review? Apparently that's what you do now. Yeah, these are Newman's own frozen pizza. I got the barbecue chicken here and I got the margarita. Okay. I'm getting kind of sick of them. On a scale of college kid to divorced dad, how sad is that pizza? Well, seeing as my wife just

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walked into the room and brought it to me on a platter. I would say, I don't understand the scale. I'll take it. I guess college kid, because I don't know. But that doesn't make sense either. Now that I'm saying it out loud. All right, final answer. That's what I like to hear. A browsing review from. Dude, I'm going to be honest with you guys.

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I probably eat frozen pizza once a week. Okay. That's my like easy night. You know, I cook. I'll probably cook four times a week. Actually cook something. And then one night when you're like, I don't feel like doing shit. Just pop in a frozen pizza. Annie's is my shit for that. Annie's. Yeah. Annie's is bomb too. Yeah. You just fucking drown that shit in pepper. Throw some hot saw on there.

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Yeah, but the fact that you called it a reduction in stone ground. That's what it says. In stone ground, it just means you fucking ground it up. That means it's got the bits in it. So on a scale of college kid to divorced dad, Andy, how sad is that? On a scale from like beta human to cock boy. Soy. Soy boy. I don't even know what that means.

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Nobody does. It was delicious, by the way. Fucking nailed it. All right. So speaking of soft noodles, that interception Miller threw, I have a note. That looked like a late stage Peyton Manning. Right after that Brady touchdown with the Tafalk to get the pats back in it to get in that second touchdown real quick. He's on his own 20 yard line and just had nothing on the ball.

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He tried to go deep and the only one that was closest to it was Otis Smith by like five yards. But New England started at the Bears 25 and managed to go 3-0. So I mean, even at the end of the third quarter, it's Bears 27, Patriots 16. So it's not like it was. But all this happens in one quarter, which is pretty crazy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There was 14 drives.

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Yeah. There was four in the first quarter. Four touchdowns. Yeah. And a field goal. Yeah. And a field goal. So 30, 31 points in that quarter. Yeah. And three turnovers. Question. Do you think Belichick was getting outcoached in this game? No. No. Those trick plays are working, though. They had like three trick plays that went their way. Three? I can think of two off the top of my head. I can think of two, yeah.

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The Patriots are also doing their own trick plays, though. Did they work? Yeah, they did the fake punt in the second quarter that set up Adams' 57-yard field goal. Damon Heward, yeah. Yeah, Damon Heward lined up as if they were punting. I don't even know where he hit on the field. They were like, oh, that's it. He was the first subprotector. I guess, yeah. And then, yeah, they lined up in the... Who did they have in the back? I think it was like Dion Branch.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the page is still down pretty big. Oh, speaking of the commentators, I wrote down some quotes from them. Oh, yeah. You got some football, not football? No, just things that amused me. These are just my musings as a listener. Okay. Tom Brady is one fired up cowboy right now. I like that.

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Seductive Move by Brady. Which initially I thought, that's a weird way to describe it, but he was describing a play action. And like seducing someone into thinking it's a play, a handoff is really an appropriate word to use there. So both great descriptions by Horny Hungry, what's his name? Randy Cross.

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I have another bone to pick with them as well. Oh, by all means. Yes. Patriots last touchdown. And they're like, do they go or not even the touchdown before last, right? Do they go for two or do they kick the PAT? No, it wasn't last. So they go up 1.3130. And he's like, no, you got a good defense. He's got to kick the opponent PAT.

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I think it was Antoine Smith running the ball. You better get his whole package. Yeah. I think it means grab onto his junk to tackle him. Is that football or not football? I don't think it's either. Maybe a little bit of both? Both? Yeah. Is both an option? We've never done both. Yeah, because you've got to grab his package to tackle him. You've got to get the whole thing. You feel like that would be an effective way to bring a man down. Yeah.

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Grab onto that lifeline. Oh my. Oh, that's sorted out. Should we talk about those two Patriots touchdowns we haven't touched on, Greg? Greg, you've been really setting it up so great, dude, since you watched this game. Take us there. Take us in the field. Oh, you guys are interrupting me. I'd like you to paint me a picture, please. Want me to paint you a picture? I want you to paint me a picture. All right. So end of the third quarter, what do we guys have scored here? Pats are down by

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Yeah, he did. Oh, the doink got me off. I was like, is that a doink miss in Chicago? Fuck yeah. I really like had half of it written down. Paul Edinger too. I'd never heard of that dude. Still haven't. But then, so you got about six and a half minutes left. You're down by 11. Yeah. So you kind of got to make something happen here.

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catches for 109 yards and two touchdowns and five carries for 21 yards. And no mistakes in blitz pickup. James White numbers, yeah. Yeah, that's a stud Patriots running back. I did notice that, I don't know if the Patriots had seen something or what, but they were running a shit ton of like draw plays in this game. Yeah. And it felt like Kevin Falk was getting a good amount of those yards on it. They did draw screens, flat routes.

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He was back. Well, I think he had a tough bit of a tough day against those corners who are pretty good. Jerry Azuma. Jerry Azuma UNH product. Yeah, baby. Shout out. They're in the dark, the shield. Yeah. Who had a better name though? Jerry Azuma or R.W. McQuarters? Oh, McCorters for sure. R.W. McNichols.

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when he was driving home because it would cut down on the glare of oncoming traffic, which scared the absolute shit out of me. This is what happens when you get three guys in a room who have never played football talking about football. How do they see out there? It's dark out and he's wearing sunglasses. I guess they have lights on the field, though. Two of Kevin Falk's catches were,

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They're down five with under three minutes left. And they kick off, which I thought the commentators were like, they're probably going to go on sides here. And I was like, you get two timeouts in three minutes. Like, why the fuck would you? Yeah, exactly. You got the two minute. They did line up to go on sides. Yeah, but they lined up on sides and then kicked it deep. Yeah. Not a analytics error, I guess. At the back of the end zone. So they kick it deep and then immediately give up a nine yard run on first down. Yeah.

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If you don't know about whether Belichick was outcoached, I'd say no because of this right here. Yeah, you got to put your nuts on the table. Because the only time they did anything in this game was when they went outside the box, like Rainer Cross was talking about. Yep, John Harbaugh. They went so far outside the box that they went back in it. Yep. That's what he said. It makes no sense, but not a commentation for you. Well, you just don't understand physics, Andy. You're clearly not a trigonometry guy. Clearly.

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Run up the middle of the aid train and Teddy Bruschi comes in and fucking stuffs him. Richard Seymour was in there. Yeah, he loses the yard. And that's when you're like, all right, I see how this game plays out. Yep. And I was still like, like leaning forward towards the TV. Like, are they going to stop this? Oh, it's definitely exciting. This is it. This is when I stopped working. I was like on while I was working. And then I was like, all right.

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No more working. That's just full time. It's getting good. Yeah. Also, to go and bet, no, actually yesterday, going back to that other drive, the one that they got the touchdown with Falk on, they had to go for it on a fourth and like five. From their own 43. Yeah. With like four minutes left. And that was a huge play by Troy Brown. And he just got absolutely demolished as soon as he caught it.

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And I think Gronk was out, but Edelman was still there. And I was okay because I said, like the offense runs through Edelman. Like he's the one that kind of keeps it going between the 20s. Like if Brady needs a first down, he's going to go to Edelman. And that's just going to like keep the offense moving. Whereas Gronk is the guy that finishes drives. So they'll still be okay if he's there and then he got hurt. And they weren't the same after that. And I feel like Troy Brown was the original version of that.

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Like when you got in your jam, you really needed something, you go to Troy Brown. He's always out of any hole. Yeah. And even if he's not, he's going to catch it anyway. I mean, I think we've been pretty clear about our absolute love of Troy Brown on this podcast. He's pretty damn good. Troy, if you're listening, please, please come on. We would love to have you on or just acknowledge our existence. That would make me so happy. Tell you what, if anyone wants this podcast to stop,

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forever. Just get a signed affidavit by Troy Brown saying, yes, I have seen this podcast. It sucks. Please ask them to stop. We will stop. That probably would do it, actually. I would stop if that was. If I knew that Troy hated our podcast, it would fill me with so much shame. Yeah. Yeah, that would be good. Imagine that. He listens and is like, this thing is trash. You guys can do better. I did.

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Well, we do that anyway. Yeah, jokes on you. You've been doing that for 30 years. Yeah. So, well, I guess that brings us to the final drive, the penultimate drive, really, but the final drive. Ooh, big word. Love it. I was actually thinking that word in my head, too. I was going to correct you, too, if you didn't say it. I know. Sorry, I should have given that to you. I think I taught you that earlier.

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Yes, I think we've talked about it in this podcast. There's a good Monty Python sketch. All right, let's just get to the penultimation. Nicely done. Greg, do you want to do the honors? Nope, he's getting more frozen pizza. All right. So I think the reason I wanted Greg to do it is because I felt like this drive had some similarities to the drive in the game that Greg calls the best game of the Patriots Dinos in the talk room, which they actually showed the replay of.

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That's the case? Outcoached by Bill Belichick again. Yeah, so Belichick has the win behind him, which is the reason Vinatieri was able to kick a 57-yard field goal in the second quarter? Second quarter. Yep. Which is... Career long. Is it still his career long? Probably. I don't know. It was at that point. And it was also Patriots career long, or Patriots all-time longest field goal and the longest field goal in the NFL that season.

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Are you just waiting for Andy to start to interrupt him? I'm reading history.com slash news slash why is Chicago called the Windy City? That URL just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it? No. No. People want to join for an episode. Let's do an open forum.

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Gushin' about like, oh, this is his redemption, yada, yada, yada. And then the play goes under review, and you see that he never has complete control of the ball. And for as bad as that throw was from Brady, throwing it directly to the nose tackle, he is also the one that did the karate chop into the guy's hands to make him actually drop the football. Well, I think the offensive lineman did it first. Did it? Well, I saw Brady do it. I couldn't tell. Brady definitely did. You can see him on the replay.

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Watch it again. It was initially dislodged by the offensive line. No, you're wrong. Watch it again. He never had complete control. So how could he be initially dislodged if he never had control? Because exactly. What do you think? Brady was there while he was. You have to have a control to be dislodged. Okay. If it's not lodged, it can't be dislodged. Just saying you're wrong and you're not a good football fan because you don't see those things.

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You're not even a real athlete. You are an asshole tonight. Uh-huh. Greg. At least I can beat you in golf. So that's all I care about. And foosball if the tape is correct. Yeah. And foosball. Important sports. It's stretching the definition of the word sport, but okay, you do you. So in shades of the snowball,

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of the tuck rule. This call was overturned. Pagers get a second chance, a third chance. I don't know. Far less controversial. That was definitely not an interception. Yeah. Which is like all the celebrating and even the commentators, like they showed the replay and it was, they had a really good shot the first time they showed it where you're like, that guy never even close to had that thing. Yes. And they didn't like pick up on it, which I thought was surprising. So they went,

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with this whole spiel about like Brian Robinson's redemption and how the Bears are going to win this game. It's like there's probably like a minute and a half where you're like, you know, it's getting overturned, right? Yeah, it was pretty obvious. But then if that wasn't enough for the fans to boo, a couple plays later, Brady hits Patton with a dart in the back of the end zone. And Patton manages to dot the I with his left foot.

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to get both feet down. Before that was a fourth and three Tom Brady quarterback sneak. Oh yeah. Shovel pass to Kevin Falk. Yeah. So yeah. So it was insanity that yeah. All right. Yeah. I did skip that. You're right. I apologize. There's so much packed into like the last minute of this game. The referees could barely keep up because they you know they overturn the call give the Patriots the ball back figure out like timing where the ball should be yada yada yada and it's fourth and three. So the Patriots line up real quick and do a QB sneak to get

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the first down and then line up again to spike the ball. But the referees have to blow the play dead because they want to measure, but they've already picked up the ball to put it somewhere else. They've already snapped it. I feel bad for the refs there too though because I was like, I don't know what you do there. Exactly. The only thing you could do is really review it to make sure they got the first, but then you're giving the Patriots an advantage because you

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So it was a bit of a shit show, but eventually it was Brady to Patton with an absolutely ridiculous catch for the touchdown. Running full speed, managed to grab it without bobbling it and get both feet down at like a full sprint with not much. Very Randy Moss-esque, I thought.

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Similar touchdown. Yeah. Yeah. He's had a few of those. Great catch by Pat. He's a good toe tapper. He is. He is. Yeah. And so they reviewed that one too because it was close. And that one was upheld. And then you got probably my favorite chant in football is the bullshit chant. Bullshit. And as soon as that started, Rating Cross is like, well, the fans aren't happy about that call, but it's the right

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Would you say that they were cross? Hey. So on the catch, you could tell though. It was like the fields with the rubber pellets in it. So you could see very precise. It was. It was not. They talked about it. Okay, fact check, bro. The stadium's AstroTurf was replaced with AstroPlay in 2001. AstroPlay. Yeah, because Kevin Harlan called Randy

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It was so close. Astro Play? Yep. Since the early 2000s, Astro Turf has marketed taller pile systems that use infill materials to better replicate natural turf. It really is so much better than Astro Turf. Oh, God, yeah. Astro Turf was just carpet. Like actual literal carpet on concrete. Might have been worse than carpet. Like it was shittier to fall on than carpet is. Yeah, it wasn't great. It was very thin.

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Yeah. I love that shit. The Astro play. It's pretty good. For soccer, I think it's, I'd probably prefer to play on grass, but. No way. Really? Unless you're playing like pro, like a fucking perfectly manicured. Like, if you're playing at the levels you and I are playing at, you're playing on a trash field that's like. Oh yeah. Potholes and shit. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. The upkeep is nothing for this fake Astro tour. Right.

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Anyway, Pats go up one. Yep. And then there's the debate. Do they kick the extra point or do they go for two with 30 seconds left? Take the points here. Just kick it. Just trust your defense. Take the points. Yeah, trust your defense. Ready to all reliable. Troy Brown for two-point conversion. It's good. He's wide open too. Yeah, he was. He was super open for a one-yard

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One second. That's true. I would have said time run out. Yeah, so they tried the Miami Miracle. Did not work. Game over. Pass win. And this was kind of the theme for the Chicago Bears. This was the third, fourth quarter blown lead of the season. The other two teams they had done it to were New Orleans and Detroit.

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The Lions were good as shit that year, right? I think they were pretty good that year. The Detroit Lions, I don't think were. The Detroit Lions finished the season 3-13. Who was the quarterback for the Saints? Was it Aaron Brooks still? Yeah, I loved Aaron Brooks. Yeah, I think it was Aaron Brooks. Well, it was last year. Did you guys catch the scar sighting?

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where Brady like shoveled it to Kevin Falk and they ran to try spike it and Roosevelt Colvin just kind of like stood there and didn't try to get back on side so the Bears had to call a timeout completely unnecessary yeah yeah and so the the Patriots you know got to stop the clock without having to spike it and I think it was third down so if they had spiked it it would have ended up being fourth down so I think the next play was the toe tap

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I think it was. That was. But I mean, Urlacher and Colvin, solid linebackers. Razuma, McQuarters, good cornerbacks. Yeah, this defense. I mean, Des White and Marty Booker, some solid receivers and tight ends. Marcus A-Train. Kuchu Robinson, what do Burmese call him? Kuchu Robinson. I never remember. Do you have any nicknames for us this week? No, I forgot to do that.

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Just imagine that. If you're like in Aztec empire and you're like, I know what's going on here. And then all of a sudden these fucking random dudes with like metal swords and shields show up with horses and you've never seen horses before. And you're just like, what the fuck? Imagine how like my, there's like two worlds colliding for the first time in like history, like truly colliding. It must've been so baffling for both sides of it. Oh yeah.

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I like the Aztec empire was apparently like like ridiculous as well so it must have been just as mind-blowing for the Spanish too oh yeah and then the Spanish just like raped them all like defeated the whole empire with like 30 dudes wow that took a dark turn we should do a fucking episode on that dude oh let's just do the play of the game get the fuck out of here

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ripping people off the scrum. I think that might be the only unnecessary roughness personal foul of Brady's career. I can't remember another one. Yeah. I can't remember what I thought. I feel like he's probably had another one where he got fired up and like against the Ravens maybe, you know, he's like head butted Ed Reed or some shit like that, you know. I don't, I feel like I would remember that.

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I feel like him in the Ravens defense always used to get into it. Yeah. And then the worst. Honestly, I think it might be the commentators. They were frustrating. Wow. Okay. They're just shitting on Brian Urlacher. I love Brian Urlacher. Oh, you spend too much time with me. Look what I've done. Corrupted you. Yes. All right, Greg, are you prepared yet? I know we sprung this off. Kind of.

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And then he also pantomimed Pat and making the catch and tapping his, getting one foot in and tapping the other one. He made the actual tap with his foot and then put his hands up for a touchdown. So that was great. A lot of good pantomime. Oh yeah, no, he pulled it off and he didn't even have to say it. We all knew what he was saying. You guys wear pants? Currently? Maybe. Never mind. Pantomime? You have a pants? Of mine?

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Let's ask Siri. Hey Siri. Does everybody hate mimes? Yes. January 4th, 2018. Everybody still hates mimes. As of 2014, it's still. Yeah, but we got to check the source, Andy. You can't just be like, yep, I saw a headline. It's on Medium. It's on everybodyhatesmimes.com. Mimehaters.org.

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It was in his book, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. He was like, I was a specimen in high school and college and I had a cannon arm. But I made like the game winning catch in the finals and I ran to the wall afterwards. So I fucked up my throwing arm. Yeah. He didn't come off very well. No, no, he didn't. But that did give you the reason to start calling yourself a specimen, Greg, because I've heard you say that about yourself many, many a time. That's not true. Danny? I think you're a specimen. I think you're both specimens.

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He's immature and he's not smart. Nailed it. All of these things can be said about you, Greg. It can be said about all of us. The easy ones. Oh, God. You can't even go with a height joke or nothing. Come on. Oh, boy. I'm just glad my girlfriend saw Greg with the half beard because now she knows it could be worse. This is true. Yeah, I've gone up a notch. Yeah, but the thing about that is,

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It's the same thing with setting expectations low, right? Of now that I don't have a half beard, I look like amazing. In comparison, yeah. Exactly. And it's all about comparison, right? If I just never had one, I'd be like, yeah, he just kind of looks like a dump still. But the fact that I went from like super dumpy to dump, now dump has been like bumped up to like, he's pretty good now. You went from dumpster to just dump. It's all about setting expectations. You got to go down. You got to,

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Crack a couple eggs to make an omelet. Yeah. Yeah. That's why my first few Valentine's Days with my wife were horrendous at the beginning of our relationship. What did you do? I don't even remember, but they weren't good. What do you do now? What's Valentine's Day? Nothing great. But if I take her to dinner, that's fine. What's Valentine's Day? I hate Valentine's Day. Not a huge fan.

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Again, I don't know what this is. Well, you'll find out. That's how you set the bar low, boys. Deny its existence. Speaking of doctor defense, Jesus. So. Doctor defensive. Ew. So speaking of improv, I had an idea and I don't know where it came from. But.

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I was thinking that we should write a book. But then I thought we're not that smart. Which one of us is qualified to do that? Right. Well, that was my next thought exactly. Let's reiterate, this is a children's book, yes? Who's drawing the pictures? I think you either go that way or the opposite and make an adult book. I can do that. The thing that popped into my mind was Gronking to Remember.

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It's not getting anybody horned up. No, but it's on brand though. Okay, I tell you what. Have you read A Gronking to Remember? No one's even listened to a podcast. Who's going to buy our podcast? It doesn't have to be sexy is what I'm saying. What does it take to get a book published? Because I'm down. All right. You can self-publish. Yeah, but I think what we should do is we should all write. They only print it when someone buys it off Amazon. Yeah, you can do a Kindle book for basically free.

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Yeah, but I want to have it in my hands. I'm having enough trouble. I put on my resume. Put on your resume that you're a published author. I ain't putting anything about this podcast on my resume, guys. Exactly. I don't want someone looking me up and listening to this. I bet there's another Greg Brown that wrote a book. Watch this. Greg Brown. That's a good thing about having a common last name. Tell me about it. Dude, I just said put Greg Brown author.

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And I have seven results. So if anyone ever questions. Oh, nope. They're not going to believe this guy. One, two. There's no way I can't write the first one. It's a black guy writing about the Bible. Yeah. I see Brown, the American Christian author, radio broadcaster, and former seminary professor. I have Andrew Brown born 1955 in London.

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as a journalist, writer, and editor. That might work. This guy wrote. He was refounding staff members of the Independent. Joseph, trusting in God's sovereignty and goodness. The Bible teacher's good book 22. Yeah. I can relate to this guy's books with this podcast. What was I thinking? Scandalous Freedom. Ooh. When your rope breaks. When being good is not enough. No more Mr. Nice Guy. What? Three.

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Could you like in a pinch pass for him? Use his fake ID, you know? He's a real old dude. I mean, maybe. I found my guy. Belfast, Maine. About my age. Wrote some generic fucking bullshit. He looks like Hide the Pain Herald, you know? That meme. Yep. I don't... I got rules. Where are you seeing pictures of him, Steve? I found...

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Oh, dude. I found a picture of him with a podcast mic like we got going on right now. No. It is a radio, dude. Oh, yeah, he is. Asheville, North Carolina. Yeah. Shout out to Asheville. Is it Steven with a PH? I just Googled Steve. I don't know his actual. I wonder what his Christian name is, you know? Is the host on the talk show Steve Brown, etc.? Steve. There's also Steve Brown on NPR.

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I'm going to buy this because what we're going to do is we're going to use this as a jumping off point. We're going to write our own three free sins, but based on a Patriots adult novel. Okay. So three free sins, erotic novel about Patriots fan fiction. All right. So we should like, we should have the game for free sins. Oh yeah.

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Everybody's more successful than the podcast. Dude, angry conversations with God. We should get him on a pod. We should get him as a guest. That could be dangerous. Absolutely not. He was a pastor in Quincy. And East Dennis. Damn, dude. I wonder if he... Perfect.

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was part of that whole thing that went down there. That's correct. Dude, I don't think we can do that. We should get him on the pod. Oh my gosh. Hey, but you know what? I will not not, that is not offensive because that actually happened, okay? Yes. They were fucking little kids for years. If we can't make fun of them for that, then I don't want to live in this country. We also don't know if he did it though. Yeah, I know, but.

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You know what I mean. We're allowed to ask religious people how they feel about. Yeah, we'll cut this part. I just want to say for the record, I think religion is good in that it forms communities that all use a higher moral standing. But I also think religion is bad because it ends up with kids getting diddled. Yeah. And I think people,

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Use Religion as a Shield to be an asshole sometimes. Agreed. All right. Some of how we got here, but all right. On that note, I think this is the perfect time to say, if you'd like to share your thoughts with us about how we're doing on our podcast, you can go to ratethispodcast.com slash patspod. Hey, well, how many Fifty Shades of Grey did they write? Is there three of those?

2002 Week 10: Patriots at Bears

Yeah, I think there's three of them. I was just thinking we could do like one of us reads the Fifty Shades, one of us reads the other one, and then we meld it together for the fan fiction. Because that's what we're doing. We're like, we're combining genres, right? I mean, I was going to read a Gronk and Tornemender just for pleasure again, because I've forgotten. Again? Yes. Have you read it? Jesus Christ. The second one is bizarre. You know what? I think what we'll have to do.

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The second one is bizarre, is that what you said? Yeah, it's worse than the first. There's two? Yeah. But I think what we'll have to do is we'll have to do a review. Be honest with me. Yeah. Did it make you horny? At any point. At any point. Just a little bit. It was too weird. I don't know. I don't think that was the end of the point. Some weird shit has made me horny before Andy. I know, I agree. For just being honest. Let's not end this podcast.

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We've got another rabbit hole, everybody. You know what I mean, though. Please explain. It's just humans being humans. I used to keep that. Some guy for Christmas is probably from you, Andy. I used to keep it on my coffee table just so weird people.

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Ooh, I got an update. Breaking news, guys. There's one on Cam Newton. No. Dabbing with Cam, a Cam Newton erotic romance. Nah. Oh, yes. Hang on. Wait, what's the title again? Dabbing with Cam. Dabbing with Cam.

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It's like Caroline. Dude, look at the guy in the cover. They just found like a random black guy. They just didn't look like Cam Newton. We can't see the cover. You'll have to share your screen with us. What do you mean, dude? Just Google Davin with Cam. Look inside. Yeah, I want to look inside. It's free on. Oh, yeah, that's not. Oh, it's free on Kindle. Kindle limited.

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We're past Gronk. Gronk is over. I don't want to get Gronk'd. You might. Nope. Dude, a Gronk here to remember too, Chad goes deep in the neutral zone. I don't like it already. Oh, you have no idea how much you don't like it. Dude, can we do like a horny meter while we're reading it? Yeah, I could probably put something together, sure. We can say how hard is it in terms of Lombardis, one to six Lombardis. Yeah.

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I know nothing about it. Who were they playing? I started reading that cam book. The Minnesota Vikings. Vikings, okay. Yes, so we will see them next week and we will see you next week while we were here. You will hear us next week. That was a really great transition. You like that? No, it wasn't even a transition. What was it? It was just you stumbling on your words. All right, so you'll hear me and Steve next week because Greg might not be invited back because he's been such a dick. Oh, hey.

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You reap what you sow, Andy. Oh, next week we might have a guest, actually. Who? I don't want to spoil it because I don't know if it's for sure yet. We should have a guest next week. I'm not quite sure. Are they going to read the book? No. Are we doing the book for next week? No, that's going to be a special episode. Steve's face. I have to read a whole book. It's like a 50-page fake novel.

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He's like what? Terror. Pure terror. It's lightning out here. I'm scared. Oh shit, I heard that. Oh, I heard that. Damn, dude. Can we get a live review of this thunderstorm? Good, but not as good as two days ago. How many Lombardis? Three and a half. You should ask, God, are you there? And also, what was I thinking? This is probably punishment for me fucking shitting on Steve Brown. Yeah, it was.

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God damn it did at least it's not Kelly's computer this time shit all right join us next week on the pages dazzy podcast see ya later

2002 Week 10: Patriots at Bears