2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

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Ever wondered what it would be like if the Patriots were the worst team in the NFL instead of the best? Since the Patriots are playing the Lions in the 2002 Thanksgiving Day game we found a Lions fan to talk about how bad it could have been.

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New England Patriots

Patriots

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Thursday November 28, 2002

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Episode Transcript

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty,

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you have the choice not to.

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My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really,

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they're just being stupid.

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You still want to listen?

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Go right ahead.

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I am not your mother.

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Alright.

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I'll be a fucking sign, clap guy.

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action. Welcome back to the

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Bagers of Diodity podcast. Still struggling through the 2002 season.

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We're at week 13 flourishing.

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Lourishing. That's right, Greg. I agree. This, I don't know. This is the most losses that we're ever going to have to deal with in a season.

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Oh, I meant our performance. Oh, I'm talking about watching these football games.

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Well, Greg doesn't watch.

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I meant showing up on time to these my cats according.

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You weren't here last week.

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I know. And I've been here a lot of other weeks.

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I only missed one.

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So that's pretty good.

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Yeah, that is flourishing for Greg, for sure.

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Speaking of not showing up, this week is the Detroit lions on Thanksgiving day.

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Happy Thanksgiving, guys. Happy Thanksgiving.

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So I will start off with the bad news.

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I've already shared this with my brothers.

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Um, I did go to my local Walgreens that

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Stephen and I talked about last week.

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They did not have the turkey dinner candy corn.

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They had all the other flavors, but I mean, the autumn mix.

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It just didn't feel right.

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So they have autumn mix out already.

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Autumn mixes out pumpkins by themselves is out and regular candy corn.

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Right.

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Well, you are wearing a hoodie in August.

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So I mean, it's autumn.

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I am. It is currently 59 degrees.

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And Andy's going with the man that shows up to game after going to work with hoodie

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underneath Jersey. Look, I got my work boots on too.

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Next thing he's going to do is just show up with like a collard shirt and a tie

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with a jersey over it.

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Those dweeb that Celtics games.

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What's a bigger heart of move though that or just no undershirt basketball jersey?

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Oh, yeah.

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That's a good question.

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Depends on how here your trust is.

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We should do an online poll.

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What's worse?

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Like button down shirt under basketball jersey or absolutely

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nothing under basketball jersey.

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I'm a big nothing guy.

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You got to go short sleeve.

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Yeah.

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Under basketball jersey.

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Yeah.

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Preferably, if you can get a zip up hoodie and just wrap it over.

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see you still see the jersey underneath. That's the move, but it's not always called enough.

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That's true. Cool. Thought a lot of big jersey guys.

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All right. Yeah, I see that.

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I see that today. Your honor. Yeah. The throwbacks for this Thanksgiving game.

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I have my Kevin Falk throwback bright red jersey on.

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But how about John Hannah one too, right? Mm hmm. And a tie law one.

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But I'm the asshole for wearing a sweatshirt.

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I like your jersey.

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It looks good.

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Yeah, I'm wearing the baby blue Troy Brown jersey with the the the red.

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Well, the like the the

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fresh shadow shadow.

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She had a red shadow that they have on it.

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Pretty slick.

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That rank rank the fate your favorite jerseys out of the three.

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Three.

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I mean, the only three to've ever had, Steve.

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Well, there's four now like the color rush.

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Oh, color rush.

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I didn't consider color rush.

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The those ones, the ones you were in the throwback.

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So the best.

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Yeah.

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I'm hates them.

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The white helmets pop.

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They were in this game.

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No second.

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We're going to say this was a throwback game, dude.

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And I.

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I'm glad we're getting a Detroit line fed on today at some point

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because I feel like it's a whole separate world of sports.

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And I'm fascinated by what it's like to be a Lions fan.

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'Cause even down to the throwback uniforms,

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you look at them and the Patriots have this really cool one

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that's super retro and everybody loves.

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You look at the Detroit Lions

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and they were plain blue jerseys

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and plain silver helmets.

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Fucking cool.

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Yeah, they weren't exciting in the least bit.

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No, and that was the best part about their whole game back in 2002

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We're there looking you said the most exciting part of the lines was their throwback jerseys. Yeah, and they were playing Trevor just walked in

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Oh throwback week off fuck

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We gotta run the dicks on the way to the game.

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Hang on.

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[LAUGHTER]

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[INAUDIBLE]

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No, you've got to Joey Harrington jersey?

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It was my first ever football jersey.

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No.

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I had to see him in the year 2002.

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Really?

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Oh, nice.

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Our year of Fort Peele, yeah, first year.

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That's amazing.

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I don't know, right?

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Still fits, yeah.

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Full circle.

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Full circle.

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Well, Joey's back then.

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We're so good.

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This is like a meeting.

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Mm-hmm.

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So joining us is Trevor, even my buddy, co-worker.

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Huge Lions fan and somehow agreed to come on.

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I think I bribed him with turkey and stuffing, thanksgiving sandwiches.

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>> I like that, Steve.

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>> I'm going to make you do that more often.

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Yeah, we should have more often on this podcast is really simple.

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The mood.

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No, set the mood with, you know, to put ourselves in the right

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mind space to what we're discussing.

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I'm not a boat ride.

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Yeah.

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Like watching this game and falling asleep in the third quarter

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because you've eaten too much turkey.

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Wouldn't that be great?

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All the fans that the game did.

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It was quiet.

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Ford Field the first year.

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Can we get into this?

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I want to talk because I did a lot of research on the on the Silver Dome.

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Yeah, yeah, give it to me while Steve's getting set up over there.

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Yeah. So this is the first season of the new Ford field.

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That is downtown Detroit.

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So Pontiac Silver Dome is the one before and it's got like a pretty interesting

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history that goes with it.

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So built in 1975, it was like the biggest stadium in the NFL up until like the year 2000.

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80,000 plus Cedar.

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Yeah, it's a lot of seats.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the middle is nowhere.

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Yeah.

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Essentially, just like the biggest parking lot you've ever seen.

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And in the middle of it is just this even bigger stadium.

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So bigger than like the Redskins parking lot?

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- I feel like that's like-

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- That's kind of like what it is, yeah.

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Like it's in the middle of nowhere,

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a massive parking lot.

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Think of like the same thing.

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- All right.

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- And it's got a fiberglass roof.

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It's got this weird, like it was a weird design

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that they did to it where it's an indoor stadium,

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but it's not truly an indoor stadium.

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So it's like, it's got like a Teflon roof

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with like fiberglass things going through it.

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So it's actually held up by the air pressure

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from inside the stadium.

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So you can deflate the roof.

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- Yep.

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- Which you may have seen picture.

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So what happens is they once the lions move

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to Ford Field, basically it's like unused for like eight years

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and it's like just sitting there in the middle of fucking,

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wherever, right?

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And then so they go to try and sell it.

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They sell it at auction in 2009 for $550,000.

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- Isn't that nuts?

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- How much did it got?

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- Two minutes.

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- It's one percent of what it cost to build it

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in the first place, like 20 years earlier.

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- It's like the worst ROI ever.

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- Yeah.

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- Any sports franchise.

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I saw something that did like an inflation assessment

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of what the actual percentage cost was,

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and it was like 0.001% of what they paid for it,

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if you account for inflation.

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(laughs)

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Just ridiculous.

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- Oh, it's so bad.

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- Yeah.

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So they pump a bunch of, the new owners

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like pump like $6 million back into it,

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get it back up and running,

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they actually hold some events there.

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And then in 2013, there's like a big snowstorm,

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and the ice collects on that roof.

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and basically collapses it

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'cause it overcomes the air pressure.

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- I remember adding the pictures of that.

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- And then there was like, fuck it.

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(laughing)

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- And it was, yeah.

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- It was like one of the coolest,

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like Google Earth things to look at,

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after it had collapsed.

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And there was like, there's probably still,

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you can find a ton of cool photos of just like wildlife.

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Like it was like a jungle just growing

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on the inside of the silver.

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- 'Cause there's a bunch of like sitting water in there.

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And yeah, the material, the roof was like like shedding to,

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so it was like half the seats were like strewn

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with this like Teflon fucking shit.

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You should Google like Silver Dome abandoned.

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It's some amazing pictures.

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- Yeah.

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Yeah, it is, how long were they in that stadium

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when you looked it up?

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Because they had it for.

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- Yeah, 75 to 2001.

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- Wow, done.

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And they said they had like the Pope went there.

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They had like 95,000 people there for a mass,

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like Madonna, Rolling Stones.

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They held a World Cup soccer game.

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The first ever World Cup game indoors was at the Silver Dome.

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Back in '94 when the US had it.

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Yeah.

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So pretty cool history.

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I mean, the stadium looked pretty sweet too.

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I saw like old footage of when it was in its prime.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it was cool.

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I mean, it was just this massive playhouse for sports, right?

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Yeah.

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Even like back then, right?

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75, I think a lot of the bigger stadiums none were that big.

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So just the size alone was kind of like a wow factor.

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Yeah.

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And then once the Silver Dome was no more moving to Ford Field,

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they did like the exact opposite.

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Like it was like one of when they built it in 2002.

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I think it was like, if it wasn't the smallest stadium

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in the NFL, it was top two or three,

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and it's still like a top five small stadium.

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'Cause towards the end, the games kept getting blacked out.

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- Bro, they just couldn't fill it.

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Like it was such a massive stadium

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and they suck for so long, they couldn't fill it.

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So games would be blacked out.

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That was like a major, major issue

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for like three or four seasons leading up

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to when they moved.

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- Yeah, same with the Patriots back in the day.

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Pretty bellish.

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You had to listen on the radio.

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Yep, that's true.

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I remember doing that.

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Those 80s, Patriots.

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Too many.

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Most of them.

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So do you like Fordfield Trevor?

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Yeah, I, it's a cool.

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I mean, like I said, it was a cool stadium because it was the total opposite of the Silver

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Dome.

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When they built it, they tried to center it

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on a fan experience.

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And they thought they could do that with a smaller space.

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And the location alone was kind of enough

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to get people excited because there's one street

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called Bush Street or Brush Street, one of the two.

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And it separates where the Tigers play.

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So Comerico Park and then where Ford Field is.

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- I love that idea.

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- Yeah, so it's like if they were ever

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to get rid of Ford Fields,

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I think they would do what the Vikings did,

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where they would demolish their stadium

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and then build it back up,

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or they didn't demolish it, like, you know, collapse,

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but there's no better spot to put that stadium.

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Like if you had to recreate it, right?

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I think they would just do it in that same spot.

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- Yeah, yeah, 'cause a lot of places are moving to that now.

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I mean, like Philly, I know they have like all four

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major sports all within one complex.

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Ball. Similar kind of.

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Yeah.

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The big.

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Yeah. Down in Texas, right?

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I think that that's similar.

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Cowboys games like that.

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Yeah. From from the Rangers Stadium,

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we can see it across the parking lot.

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And LA, they just have every single sports team on the west coast

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playing the same stadium.

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And that's the soccer stadium.

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Yeah. No one goes.

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(laughing)

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- But yeah, it's cool.

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It's, I think it was cool.

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I think they've done like little improvements,

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but eventually they sort of hit a wall

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because there's again, it's like limited space

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with such a small stadium,

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but they've added like little quirks here and there

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and like improved the box seats

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and obviously with like the fords owning it.

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There's like some of the executive seats

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are like these crazy nice leather,

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whatever top of the line Ford car is,

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they'll actually have the car seats in the boxes.

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- Oh, that's a good idea.

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Like a trunk and they gave a whole stadium

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a ton of sides of it are cobblestone,

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brick looking, big corridors or hallways,

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give it kind of like a rustic like industrial like Henry Ford factory kind of look. So visually,

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it's it's a pretty cool looking stadium. But yeah,

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yeah, I almost went there. Are you a Michigan fan too? I'm a Michigan State fan. Okay,

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All right, because I was last Thanksgiving.

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I was I went to Chicago with my wife for work.

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And we were like, should we go to the Thanksgiving day game?

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At Ford Field or Michigan, Ohio State was also playing that weekend.

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So we ended up going to Michigan, Ohio State, which was, I mean, that stadium.

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Jesus fucking Christ.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's literally seed.

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It's completely overwhelming because it's not like it's not like sectioned either really. It's just like a

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People like it is a true ball. Yeah, Penn State was similar to where I think it was like 103,000

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Seed state him so it became the third biggest

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Third biggest city in the state on Saturdays during

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Yeah, yeah, but all the people that that come in for sure. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, I love I love stadiums

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I love what's your favorite and I don't care who knows it my favorite stadium. That's a good question Andy. Let me think

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Do cowboy stadium that was pretty fucking sweet. All right. I mean, I'm a small stadium guy

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I think like a good doesn't sell a stadium with a lot of atmosphere

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So I picked the biggest one of that

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- You're a gody stadium guy.

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- But that one was just like,

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I don't know, that was beautifully done

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with like the sunshine and enthrude.

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It's, that's a sight to see.

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You have to check that one out.

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Ralph Wilson sucks.

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- I really like Red's Constadium.

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- Yeah.

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Dude, you know what stadium blows is the Jets one.

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- We talked about this already.

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- Yeah, it's more than the rest one.

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- Just sucks.

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- Nothing.

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just in the middle of nowhere.

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- Dispair.

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- Yeah.

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- Garbage.

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- And the Jets play there, which doesn't--

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- Yeah, it's got no personality.

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All right, let's really make Trevor cry

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about how much it sucks to be a Lions fan.

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Let's go, come on.

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- Ooh, okay.

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- All right, so yeah, let's get into this game.

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'Cause 2002 is, it feels like peak.

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I know they've been worse,

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but it just felt like peak Detroit Lions.

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- No, this is probably a year of hope and optimism.

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- Yeah, but what I think is like,

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like prior to that, I think we drafted

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a couple of wide receivers.

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- Chocking.

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- And then, or it might have been right after that.

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- It was right after.

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Like Charlie Rogers,

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or Charles Rogers, right?

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And then there was--

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- So I wrote this down.

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Yeah, so this is 2002, so.

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- This was Harrington.

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- Yeah, so then, next year they started that.

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They went Charles Rogers at two,

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Roy Williams at seven year after,

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the year after Mike Williams at 10,

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and then two years after that,

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they finally hit with Calvin Johnson.

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So. - Yeah, that's how you build.

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- I taught 10 wide receiver for,

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four out of five years.

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- Just start from the outside end.

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You work outside end is how you win.

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- Hey, then he revives early, just like Barry Sanders.

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- It was, I think,

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(laughing)

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and Calvin Johnson, like he hates the lines.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's like very, very open about it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's not a lines guy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Is it Barry Sanders similar?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- No, he's a big like, I love Detroit,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

love the Forads, love like the organization.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's like big, big time lines Detroit guy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But no, you're right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like this was, and watching a game,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like you just, you can feel it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And there's times when like,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Harrington's moving the ball down the field

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and you're like, wow, like it's kind of rookie.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That's making a good throw.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, we hit a couple.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- We're like moving the ball a little bit,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and then something dumb happens.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And that, the build to just drop is like,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that's what it means to be Alliance Man.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And in 2002, obviously, social media wasn't a thing,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

so you didn't have the ins and outs of like,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

what actually happened in the organization,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

which I think helped the organization

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

from looking less like it was just a total fucking disaster.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like now you can only be so bad at your job

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

before like the rest of the world knows you're bad at your job.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But then they had like a five year leech

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

to be shitty at your job.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But then people were like, okay, the process really isn't.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Maybe we shouldn't have drafted all those wider series.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This didn't work.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This was, I think the prior year in 2001 there were,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they won two games.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, so this was an improvement where they won.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right. They won.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They won. They won.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They won. They won.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And improved from the year before.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I actually have some numbers on that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That era.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So Barry Sanders and that like Herman Moore, Scott Mitchell,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that era ends around 1999.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, so the end of the--

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The last time I went to the fight.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

1996 is when they really started like they they had a win

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This was their first like losing season after the Barry's dinner stuff

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So 96 through 2010 so they had 15 straight seasons with single-digit wins

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

2000 through 2001 through 2009 they had a total of 33 wins in nine seasons

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So there's less than four wins a year. I want I want to put that in perspective

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

In two years, I don't know which in two years the Patriots won 34 games

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, so 30 yeah, and then 2008 of course they go actually oh three oh four

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They won 34 games because they won 21 in a row if you can't play off games they won 34 games in two six

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, and even if you like extend it to their franchise history, it's like kind of hilarious to like they have

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

17 playoff appearances in franchise history dating back to 1935

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So this is before the merger and all that and the Patriots have had 17 since Tom Brady got drafted

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So people often say like man

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I would really hate to be a Browns fan like it's tough

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But if you look at the numbers the Browns fan is actually a luxury

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They have

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- If you give the same time period of like 1995 to now,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they've made the playoffs more

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and they have at least one playoff win.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, you know who's coaching the browse at that time?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Bill Bell, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- The Bill Bell track.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That's a hot day.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I need to be the pitcher to be a Browns fan.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Which is like, there's only one class of people

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that can say that though, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- One of one.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- This one Detroit aren't even that far from you.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's like what three hours?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, and like so.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's the hallway of sadness there.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, it really is.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The hallway of sadness.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's like a different kind of rust belt.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There's a sense of like when the Browns do come into town

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

or when the Lions play in Cleveland,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

there's like a sense of like, you know,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

we really want to beat each other.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But like at the end of the day, we all kind of look around and we're like,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

"Fuck, man, this shit starts to suck for everybody."

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I get a question. Along that way.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You understand my pain and I understand your pain.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Do you ever sneaky hope you lose those games?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Just to be like, at least we're like the best at something that like, even worse?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Uh, no.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't like that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't like that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Well, I think the loudest question.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I wanna win.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You, people, they don't understand how bad,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like I just, I don't wanna make the wild card.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I wanna actually just win the division for once.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

One year I wanna be like, we're in the playoffs.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And when I don't have to go to Dallas,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

or like San Francisco, Dallas, or somebody like that,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like in order to watch just the hopes crumble

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

in a wild card, which was a good season.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Nine wins.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughing)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

which this this 2002 season is the the Patriots least amount of wins for this

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

whole era that we're doing a podcast for you want to guess how many wins the

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Patriots had nine wins

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

season did literally as bad as it gets they had a full game losing streak that

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

we suffered through before you came on and it's the longest losing streak of the

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, we almost stopped watching.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We struggle through it because we knew you're coming on it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Have you ever had like maybe I should stop watching?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, there's definitely been those times when you, you kind of, you look at

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

yourself every Sunday and then like Sunday afternoon, because we always get

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the, the noon games, because you know, so bad.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like four o'clock rolls around and you're just like, what the fuck am I doing here?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like it's no, I'm from the first.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And we got two wins last year. We have a win. Like what the fuck am I doing?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

See that's that's what I always wonder is like what the Patriots have always been good

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And like I'll watch any football but like when the red Sox suck

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I like I won't I just it's not worth my time to invest in the red Sox when they're sucking yeah

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But football is kind of different so I've always wondered like if the Patriots are really bad

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Would I just start like stop watching games every now and then? I don't know. Yeah, so that's that's definitely like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like football in general. It's just so like if you're a big sports guy

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's one thing but to be like you know football fan. I think it's it's another right and it's once a week

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's not like you're watching you said the red Sox the Tigers in there even if they're bad

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You know like all right well

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'll put the alerts on my phone and check out the scores

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But I don't want to sit down and watch it right as much of a commitment

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The Lions it's like it's like there are any football team. It's an event, right? It's once week

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Beers but yeah, it's just I it's it sucks

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like losing some of the car like I don't think anybody is like nobody gets excited about it

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But the real the real shitty thing is and you only you only realize this after I think the age of like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

maybe like 26 27 right like I'm 28 right now and

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I, I, the, something I have no control over,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like how the lines play on, on Sunday,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

significantly affects my mood.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm like Monday, like kind of going into Tuesday.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then like by Wednesday, like I read the practice report

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and like I'm, I'm back.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm all in.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I get sucked back in, but like as a grown man,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like I, still like the team significantly affects my mood

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We're like 24, maybe 36 hours.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- It's true.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Nothing you can do about it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I'm kind of scared of that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I've been the same way.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And the pages haven't stopped.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- But the voice has been good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So it's like, it's manageable

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

'cause 90% of the time you're in a good mood on Monday.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Actually, it's more like 80%, but still.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Oh, it's curious more actually.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- No, still.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And the thing is, it's funny, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

'Cause if you were to go back in time in 2002

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and be like, man, we really suck,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

but sports are cyclical.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's what you always tell yourself,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that it's gonna come back around.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And it's almost 20 years later,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and we're still in that same, maybe not that bottom three.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We were last year, but Stafford got hurt, whatever.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But it's like they haven't gotten better.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We've had the revolving door of coaches

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and like management has changed,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

so like it hasn't gotten better.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And like that alone is,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think it's really hard to stink and like steer a ship

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

in the wrong direction for so long.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Without one guy being like, it's not that hard.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think I can do this the right way.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And that just hasn't happened, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like that-- - Yeah, you haven't even like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

fallen into it by accident, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- No.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's wild.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I had a tweet like two years ago,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and I think I retweet it every year,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and it sums up,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

if the tweet is, "My lion's fanhood summed up."

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

In August, I say, "Our year."

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like, "Tranny camp, you hear all the positive stories,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

you read into the beat writers,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

you're thinking like, "This is our year, we're due."

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I feel it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- October rolls, yeah, I feel it too.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

October rolls around,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And, you know, some things we've kind of fallen off a little bit, but it's October.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So we still got a chance because of Stafford.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

As long as he's healthy, we got a chance.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Thanksgiving.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then I usually tweet out that meme from the waterboy of that guy that says,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like, we suck again.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And that way, we come here every year.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And it's Thanksgiving.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We always lose that game.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And it's like the wheels fall off.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

January happens and recently I hate the Patriots

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Was it Mitch Trabisky this year that smoke to you guys on Thanksgiving? Yeah

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like it was like people were talking about him losing his job

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like man this guy like he's really not the future and he walked in on Thanksgiving day and threw like for 250 and like three touchdowns

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, yeah

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm gonna lift that up cuz I think it was even worse than that. Yeah, wait. I thought it was their backup. Wasn't it?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was Detroit's back of the oh, that's right. That's a lot. Yeah, so

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

29 of 30 this is Mitch Trabisky. I'm Thanksgiving last year

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Mitch Trabisky. Yeah, 29 of 38 for 338 yards and three touchdowns

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Oh my goodness, that's a slide.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That guy's the one. - That guy's the one

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

you want to do, the football that day.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- It's too messy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I'm a full-time career.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- How do you feel about Mapetricia?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I was a big, I was on his side

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

for the first year, 100%.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Last year, it's hard to win without your franchise quarterback

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and not being a set team to win the Super Bowl.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like if you're set up to win the Super Bowl,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think you have enough pieces to where you can get by

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

with a game manager,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

but when your team really stinks, you can't, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The quarterback position,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

it's been the story of Stafford's career.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

If you remove him from the situation,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

we're fighting 0 and 16 every single year.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think he makes that big of a difference.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So this year is the year for me

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that's gonna tilt am I a Patricia Guy or not.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right now I still give him the benefit of the doubt.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's in the August face, guys.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughing)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This is gonna be different.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's the number nine year veteran.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That's gonna be healthy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- This is gonna be the hit five.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He can do it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, I know.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And like you get excited again,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

'cause the draft rolls around

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and you get excited 'cause you're always in like the top five

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

or even top 10.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So you're getting like something new and shiny.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So you're like, this is, this guys are,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

we needed one more piece and he is it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This guy's gonna be the difference maker.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

one piece away.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And we're not.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think we're having

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They're not that bad this year.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, I'm on August mode.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, on paper, they're not there.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They aren't.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's just it's there's like you always have this like looming like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

something like something's going to happen.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And it's not good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like you never get a break.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's always like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Stafford might roll his ankle running out of the tunnel or like something like that, right? Yeah

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This is the year no this is the year man you should get yourself all worked up and lathered up above the 2020 Detroit

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Lions

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You know what it was it was the fans they were hurting the team. We just get rid of them

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Losing the wild card

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like I don't know what like you know like what the future is gonna be like with COVID and stuff like that

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But all part of me will be very upset if like COVID still very much like around and the lines do in the Super Bowl

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And when that happens, we can't have a parade

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There's no group you kind of just look at each other and you're like hey we did it

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You guys should root for the Patriots this year just because for us it'll be like well

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So we, you know, celebrated those out of years, not going to lie.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There's already been talk about what are they going to do with the duck boats this

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

year if one of the Boston wins another championship.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Did I love that?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I love that confidence.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Why not?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I agree.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

When statistically, yeah, there's a good chance one of the four will win.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Also, you know, the bros are in the second, they're, they're in the second round, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like, yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yep.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Celtics swept.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Hi, let's get to this game.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So I just want one more thing about this, this, uh,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

this lion's team.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This we've been doing this for almost two full seasons and I do

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

a write up of like I do a deep dive and all the players and everything.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This is the first time we've seen an opponent where they didn't have a

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

pro bowler on the team.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Really?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's nobody on this team.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

May the pet's interesting.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I feel like everybody gets like a pity vote, no?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm trying to think of the closest guys.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There was a-- I can't think of his name as he's escaping me.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You guys probably know if you have the--

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't have the roster pulled up, I should.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But there's a dude on the D line that's pretty talented,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

just in terms of overall--

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Rob or Portche.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Rob or Portche.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's up there and just who is one of the better players

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

on our team?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Him and Chris. I think on that. I was Jersey for some reason.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Hands really?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Hanson.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm surprised. Don't go kicker.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You want to do it?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Don't do it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Kicker kickers one step away from the punter.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Dude, don't do it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's what I'm saying.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

If you're three and 13, you think your punter would have the numbers to get in the pro ball.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah. Oh, God.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Sean Rogers.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He was. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, Sean Rogers actually, that's the dude I was thinking of.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But maybe he, I don't know what year he was in 2002.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So maybe he made it later on in his career.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Skill position though, they were pretty bare.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, just touch on those.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- They just signed Schrödinger and Hakim as of their team.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, those are.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Bad signings.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, I'd say here.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, James Stewart, I thought was probably

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the only bright spot on this offense.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah. - Ran for over a thousand yards

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and four whole touchdowns.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So good for him.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Joey Harrington would be the starter

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

for I think most of the year.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Even though they were talking about,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they had drafted some guy last year

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

first round some quarterback.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, McMan. - Do you remember why?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- McSumpener, other.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Mike McCann?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, something like that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- He was the backup.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, I thought he was related to,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I thought he was related to that,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the guy from the Bears.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Jim McMahon, yeah, that's what I thought, but no.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Jim McMahon, 'cause he looks just like him too.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That kind of an old one.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Joey Harrington threw four,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

not quite 2300 yards, 12 touchdowns, 16 interceptions.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- And just a bit off that Pro Bowl.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah. And the crazy part is, yeah, the crazy part is their defense was worse than their offense.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah. Yeah. If you look at their league stand, where they stood in the league for so for yards,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

there were 28th in offense and 31st in defense and for points 26 and 31st.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So not where they were just bad across the board. Yeah. Yeah, but the kicker, dude.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

but oh yes, but he was he's in one of the all-time like point scores for Detroit

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He said that he broke that right at this game. Yeah wasn't this game. Yeah, they broke that

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that was like that was like front page news. I remember that that was a big stuff.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, yeah, the primary talking about this game now

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, right spot page two. Joey Harrington throws four interceptions

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The thing about Harrington, this like followed him throughout his career too is I actually do think he

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He was talented enough to to be successful in the NFL back then because I think he was a little bit ahead of his time in terms of

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

being like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Mobile but also like having like a pretty strong arm, right? If that's what made him like a top pick

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The problem was just I think mismanaging. I think he had literally no leash

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like it was just, "Alright Joey, go out there and just kind of do your thing."

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And you can see it in this game.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And he has no help around him either.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So he just got caught trying to do way too much.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I think of when you're in the NFL, like psychologically,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like that takes a toll on you, like year after year after year.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then the fans just, they blame you for problems that aren't really yours.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You're just trying to go out and win.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And so it's a little bit of he got caught in a bad situation, I think.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I think you see it in this game, like he does make some really good throws.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He just makes some really bad decisions that a rookie's going to make.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right. Yeah, because he threw a like what he showed like a busted screen

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

password. You always see Tom Brady just fucking throw it in the dirt right in front

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

of his feet.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He threw an interception on one of those just trying to force it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

to a different line.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then throws the neck, the play comes up again in like a quarter later and he throws

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

in the dirt and the fans boom.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And we're talking like 12 starts maximum.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, no, didn't they gave him like a standing.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, what he did it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But it was like a sarcastic one.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And it was like, so it's brutal, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Just just try being that dude.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And he was always very vocal about I want to I'm going to be the guy who brings the team

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

back.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

to be that franchise star that's done.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This is going to be my legacy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And it like people took that and they like made fun of them for it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's like, kind of almost has a similar feel to like Drew

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Bledso back in the day.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like he was supposed to be that face of the franchise.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I think he was a bit more successful maybe because he had more

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

weapons or whatever he had better coaching or better.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Because he had Troy Brown stuff around him.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But yeah, exactly.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But he was always kind of criticized for trying to do too much.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like he's getting sack, he's throwing the ball over his shoulder backwards blind sort of thing.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And it feels like Harrington is in his similar situation, but

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

dealt with it kind of the same way.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was on definitely.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I thought David Carr is a similar situation where

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

yeah, I think if a situation is different, they'd be a good quarterback.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But just like with everything else working against you you have no chance in the NFL

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I honestly think there's a ton of quarterbacks that get stuck in shitty situations

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, yeah, and that's their defining career because you only get so much time to prove yourself in the NFL

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's true obviously look at literally any jets quarterback

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Brown's like how many people are on that jersey that they have you need to tell me all those quarterbacks are terrible

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, or is it the fucking organization that sucks, you know, yeah, I mean I'm gonna say core

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

terrible, but yes

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You always hear fans talk about like well like our quarterback sucks

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's fine just get them out of here and like we'll rotate a new one in and I'm always like whoa

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Trust me that that quarterback carousel. It's not a fun ride to be on there, brother

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like you don't like you just want to like he's not the only reason you stink

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You're just blaming you know you kind of point the gun at him

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But like oh, I don't know maybe if you spent some money on your offensive line instead of paying a receiver

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

$80 million over the next six years might be a little better

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You're Ryan Taney Hill

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Fuck like six years and now he's a pro ball

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So speaking of Joey Harrington though, there was a few things

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That I found interesting at least in this game boy

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The first was I don't know if this was

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Who was it who was it this start reading your notes?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, all right, so nice bullet points Andy you're calling someone a nerd in your notes that you wrote up

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's calling someone a nerd

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

better show.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm not a person with like links to the timestamp to YouTube in it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Are you done?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You want to hear why you got me?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm not going to go for it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm not a party morning.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We've looked Sandy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Why do you lost his job at the end of this year?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm a heart.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Here's why.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the biggest key for us on offense today is to convert third downs. If you look at the statistics, the team's chance of scoring goes up 6-2% if you convert 1/3 down during a drive. We need to be efficient and make plays on 3rd down today.

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His Spencer Bolck said…

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that Joey Harrington of all people ran a more,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

he said he ran a more complicated offensive college

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

than he does now, which,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Oh yeah, I noticed that too.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Don't know if that says a lot about the Lions offense.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Where'd he go to school?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Oregon.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Oregon, yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I don't know if that says a lot about Joey Harrington.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- And that was like before Oregon was like,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Big popular university, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They were still just kind of like,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

pack 12 sort of irrelevant, sort of good, but like no flash.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, what did you,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The guy that the charges drafted, did you hear that?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And they were asking him about it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like he's a guy from the quarterback from Oregon, Herbert.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And they were like, who do you like compare your game to?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's like, Joey Harrington.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And they were like, um, oops.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Are you sure?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Very old.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You're weird.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Weird, weird, weird moves.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Are you sure?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But he's like, they're both born and bred like Oregon guys.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like they're from that region.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So I think he's still like a pretty well respected

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

in like the Oregon community, you know?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I think so too.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And again, like I think when a lot of people look back on it,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they blamed Joey less and less and less

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and started again realizing that it was,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

he was sort of set up to fail.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then especially if you've already got

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

super high hopes for him, you're from that area,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

anyone, you know, Oregon coaching staff,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like big fan of Oregon, whatever.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They obviously give them the benefit of the doubt.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You know, I'm obviously on that train too.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, I think that's a perfect segue into Marty Morninwig.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Because you're right, I know you guys read my note,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

but that haircut does make it look like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

he has a comb over in the back of his head.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't know how he did that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- But I didn't notice that Andy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- You guys know he replaced him next year?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- No.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Who was it?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Steve Maruyucci. Oh, the moosh. That's right. That's right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And so people, people really thought he was the savior. Like they, that was when

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the hot, the hopes were through the roof on this track.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Cause he was still pretty good back then. Host Niners, Mooji. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We're going to be the next, that's us. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Do you know why that's kind of like the, uh, the Panthers with George

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Seifer too, same sort of thing. Oh, yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

A lot of failed 49ers coaches similar to the Patriots

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

coaching staff lately.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I looked like, um, uh, what's the guy that's, this?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Mangini, doesn't he look like Mangini?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I mean, definitely.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Mangini with bad hair, which is tough to do, but not as fat.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

True.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Um, so I think that may, this, this to me is probably why he

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

got fired coach a lot of pressure on your quarterback 11 hurries how do you get Joey

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

calm down and turned around here in the second half well really we rushed a few of them

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they're pressure defense you know we threw a bunch of interceptions without the interceptions

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

geez it's a close football game so I'll calm them down here at halftime he took took us

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

down there for a two minute drive for three points so alright coach thank you good luck

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I got a belongs coach and kindergartners.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's shitting me right now.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's bagged to groceries.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They were saying, "Guilhakers, I tell you guys."

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You know?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Can you imagine walking in on Thanksgiving for millions of people,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that dude walks in and half time, it's supposed to fire you up.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It looks like the dude that's supposed to fix something because your helmet broke.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Or like, "Oh, shit, the plumbing's backed up.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We got Carl Carl again."

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And he comes in and he's like, "Gosh, daughter, new guys.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Let me go help you."

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Red Gator in City Yellow?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's nightmares. That's nightmare fuel

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like if there was a movie made about him it'll be played by Chevy Chase putting on a really really bad accent

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, it's that character. Yeah, he's like a he's like a stereotypical like Midwestern like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Guys happy go lucky now here in the world. I think you guys are shucking corn wrong

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What is wrong?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He goes, that dude goes home and his wife doesn't watch, she's not a football fan.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So he goes home and she's like, how was work?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And he was like, was it a tough day?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We lost again, but we'll get better.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then she controls the remote because he's a pussy and a cock.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He just watches how his lives are fucking.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Ohio yeah, I don't know what he respects that dude

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Practice it just it was run a muck like he'd have his clipboard out and people would walk by and they they they fuck

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They just smacked it and talk about it

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They look like they put his finger on the chest and kind of like your nose. They do that to them all the time

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They don't let him have a whistle

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's just a dog whistle no can hear it

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

which i think all the uh...

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

were marty

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

all the penalties can make sense now right

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

after hearing that i know

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that the detroit actually had uh... an off-sides penalty on the kickoff

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

in this game

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

which led to a huge return from

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

branch branch right yes from the on branch yet

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That was after the first right at the end of the first quarter. Yeah. Yeah after their first field goal

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, they settled for a lot of field goals in this game all four of them

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Very consistent Hanson pro bowler

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Did you see him break down to make the tackle on Dion branch?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, they had that highlight in the highlands that's generous

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But he is loved it though. Yeah, I gotta get so

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It looked like me out there trying to make a tackle.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think I figured it out.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I was interned with the Lions before I actually started

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

working at Billy Caster Golf.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Really?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Did a bunch of kids camps.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That was like-- it was like the--

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they called their football education department, which

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

is pretty cool.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And basically, you go around and the Lions set up

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

camps for little kids around the state.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And it's super cool.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think a lot of teams in the NFL,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they have that program or aspect of their business set up, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And so a lot of times they'd invite either current players,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like rookies that are just getting started,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

or they'll do like alumni players.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So they had like Herman Moore come out one week for camp,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

which was cool.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's a super cool guy, super great with the kids.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then there was Jason Hanson,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

who also came out to one of the bigger camps at Ford Field.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And super cool guy,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He was like the epitome of like a kicker.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like he just was kind of like super goofy, joking around.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He kept saying like everything was tight.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like he did that old guy thing

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

or he's like, he would move a drill and he'd be like,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

"Tight."

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And but then you see him on the sideline

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like working on his golf swing like without a club.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I was like kind of nervous to talk to him

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

but I was at a station with him.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And he was a cool guy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He, uh, he would kick out of the kids a little bit, but yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Do you want me Barry Sanders?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, I've gone to like him, like speaking, you know, like, uh,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

things that he's like spoken at.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Um, and the guys within like my boss at the time and other dudes that I've

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

worked with, they've, they had a chance to meet him a bunch of times.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And they said he's kind of as advertised, super cool dude down to earth.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Super humble.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, very, very humble.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So I just want to say that, um, the Detroit lines putting on football

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

education, anything is like this podcast putting on anything educational.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, there's just the wrong people to do it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You know, it's even funnier is they were like, they're like one of the first,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they like kind of are like pioneering this business structure of God or like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

other NFL teams that are now reaching out to the lines to say like, how do we

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

something similar for our team.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They like they kind of pioneered it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What's the quotes that those that can do and those that can't teach, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There it is.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Marty, morning wigs in charge.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It'd be good at it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, statistically, if you convert third downs, 92% better chance of win.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

All the kids are fucking right down.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, they're not. Shut up, Joey.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Girl man, no, my Joey.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I can't believe they allowed that at the beginning.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Just him to rattle off some facts.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Maybe he's been a little more time in the playbook.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They crunch it. No, I would throw four interceptions there, Joe.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I feel like I've never seen anybody throw.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I wrote this down.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I've never seen anybody throw so many almost interceptions.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There's a bunch of tips in that game, too. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, like every single incompletion was tipped at least twice.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

One the other way though, we had that one sick tip to, uh, I think it was Deon as well.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's true. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was Patton. He like, yeah. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like it's like, that was like on a big third down.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like really, yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But that's that kind of dichotomy between the Patriots and the in the lines like right there.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

How many how many balls got tipped in this entire game and when a patrons ball gets tipped it gets caught by a patriot

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's like a big game line ball gets tipped. It's an incompletion or at best in the interception

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, it's uh

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's that's that's that's the timing

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh boy, so I was on morning wag

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Wikipedia

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Seems like he got into a little bit of trouble back in college a little bit of a bad boy

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, I was gonna bring this up if you didn't oh

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Montana suspends to starters did you did you bring up the article Andy? No, I just saw that he got

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He was academically suspended or something like that for a year

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Looks like it wasn't he like the starting quarterback or something. Oh

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He was he was a four-year starter at Montana the big grist well three

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Did he like not say thank you one time or something?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, he probably like, it was like finger painting something and he hung it up and it just, it

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

was like a big dick.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So it just, it just can't count.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But it was by accident.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He was like, "Yes, you were, I swear, it was a rocket ship!"

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm just that bad.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Those are flames, not pew bears.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's probably finger bang in the coaches of life is what he's doing.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The Troy lines like you on the other side.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think fucking more like tied in something.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Slow playing us.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The Troy lines like, no, you know what?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You, you're in charge.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So usually we actually haven't done this yet.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Usually we give a watchability score.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Trevor, did you watch the whole game?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I did the shortened version of it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So that, like, tween your name.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Okay.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What's the scale?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, I'm so glad you asked.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We do out of six Lombardis.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

How many do you give it?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So one to six Lombardis.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You can do the HASS with AC Championships.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So like I'm going to give it maybe four, three Lombardi's in AFC Championship for the

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

bar.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Go for it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right around there.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Really?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I would go from, I would go to like two Lombardi's and like an NFC Championship.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, you don't, I don't get you to win.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm going to do that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, I don't think you have any questions.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So just, well, we don't have any Lombardi's either.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So if I go zero.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

zero two wins two and a half wins in a tie two all in 16 seasons.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, I'm seeing it in a picture.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I would I disagree with even I would give this like a two out of six.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's Thanksgiving.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think I even game has to have a fucking extra Lombardi on it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This this game I gave it an extra Lombardi.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This game was probably the least exciting stars.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This is the least exciting patrons when I've seen since we started doing this.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's I agree.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's the thing.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It just it wasn't super exciting.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Brady wasn't good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The defense was still giving up a shit on a rushing yards to a lines team who came in here.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What like three and seven or something.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It didn't look like they wanted to be there.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It just.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Who gets your turducken award?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The John Madden.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't know.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Who's the biggest guy on the field?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, Vince.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Actually, here, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, wow.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What's the name Bobby Hamilton?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Now I'm going to give it to Jeff Gooch.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Gooch.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Jeff.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Gooch.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Dude, you know, gooch.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Wait, which team was he on?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The lions, but his name is Jeff Gooch.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So he.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Jeff.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm back. It's Lyndon Lyndon gooch. He's one of my favorite soccer players right now

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What about Taylor gooch the golfer?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Tower tower, but Gucci man

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Mmm the rapper

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right, it's all one weird family. Yeah. Oh, yeah, okay

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, Jeff Gucci had four tackles

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

two solos

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And that was all he did this game

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But his name is Jeff Guch

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And so his tower good guy looks like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Blakey Duncan McElroy. Yeah, well, he looks like Roy Roy McElroy and Blake Griffin

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, Lyndon Guch is actually a pretty legit American soccer player who plays on England or in England on

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Sunderland right now

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He was like lightened up for a last year

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They have a Lyndon Guch and they have max power remember the

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Simpson yeah

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The team is just stacked full of funny names.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughing)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- So I'm looking at the roster and guys that I think

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

lasted the gauntlet for the Lions, like Slussinger,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm not including him 'cause he was like an older dude

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

at the time, but he's like a fan favorite.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But rookies that year, so Joey Harrington obviously was one.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Dominic Riola was the center and he ended up being

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

a starter for a pretty long time.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

spent his whole career in Detroit.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Same with Jeff Backis.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He was there for a pretty long time too,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

which is like frustrating to read and think about

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

'cause you're like, so you had,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

we had two anchors on the offensive line,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

which is a decent amount for a shitty team.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, yeah, there should be a builder.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- And one draft you had two anchors,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

not in the first round.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So they were really good fans.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And we just couldn't convert with a good offensive line.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Not winning with a decent offensive line in the NFL

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

is just like having a huge cock

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and just not just being a virgin

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

because you're just not into sex.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You're just like, man, you know what?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Not for me.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I've seen a couple of pornos

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and it just doesn't seem like I'm into it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So I'm like a true lion's man.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think my two duck and probably goes to Mike McMahon,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the backup quarterback,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

because he was actually in on multiple plays in this game.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- He caught a pass, didn't he?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- He caught a pass out of the backfield.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- The OG tasted well.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, the lions actually decided to run a two QB play.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They did it twice.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And the other time he ran like a wildcat,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like QB draw and you boy Joey Harrington actually went and tried to throw a

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

chop lock on Otis Smith. I think we did not appreciate it. Oh, Joey Harrington,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the OG Sam Donald too. Same like a bunch of mistakes trying to do too much on a

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

terrible, terribly run franchise.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

he was the quarterback. Who was the quarterback that lined up wide? I think it's

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the dolphins maybe and just like oh no he was the jets who lined up wide on a

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

another one of these kind of plays and the defensive back like jumped him and

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

he like flinched really bad it made the sand. I think that was Sanchez for the

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

jets yeah so I feel like I just stood there with the most like disinterested

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

look on his face. I remember that. Or he just like stood there and was like, just like a fucking like,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

just didn't even move. Yeah. Classic Cutler. I fucking love Cutler.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm a color guy too. I mean, I'm not a I'm not bears are my least favorite,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

favorite team in our division. But I love smoking Jay Cutler is a dude. He is so funny.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Having a big dick and not using it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

J comes.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was almost by design.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And he liked he enjoyed it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like that dude loved nothing more than just chilling on the bench.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, just collecting a fat contract.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Just never gonna change him.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He'll never change him.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, I love that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The Bears are your least favorite team in the division.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Who's your least favorite team ever?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The Patriots, least favorite team ever.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The Detroit Lions.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, the Lions.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

If I had to actually rank it, yeah, like they they fall into the category.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's weird where they're definitely like my top three least favorite, but also

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like number one favorite.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's like I love to hate them, but like I can't I can't run away.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's a it's an abusive relationship.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It is.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What about the Packers?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Cause they dominated the lines for years, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

With the the farm into Rogers.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Um, but the so the thing about and this goes back to a lot of fans.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

two is I can appreciate Packer fans because it's kind of all that area has. So they're all in and

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they're as fans. I really don't think they're that bad and I think it's because of the area.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like they just, it's hard to be kind of swaggy about the Packers.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right? I think there's never really anything flashy about it. So it's nothing that you can

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and really get too, too upset about.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The bears are kind of the opposite

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

where even when, like they have the history,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

so they're super in your face about that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And also like, they just, I mean,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they're huge cocks about it,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

just everything in their city.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's like, it's great and it's incredible.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And like, it's not because it's like negative 10

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

for like four months out of the years.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And like, they love to tell you how great they are.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then like they're like the nicer version of like Detroit, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

If you take away their history, they're like massive underachievers.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's true.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But they won't tell you that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What do I agree with that?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Viking is on the little streets.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm a little skewed because my mom's family and my mother, they're like huge,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

huge Vikings fans.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So I'm a little skewed in terms.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So whenever I meet a Vikings fan, obviously I always,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

you know, hey, like I'm a Lions fan,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

but that's always like, you know,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

no one rips on the Lions fan in the NFC,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

but it also leads into the conversation of like,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

well, like my family's from Minnesota,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like my mom's a huge Vikings fan,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

so I've never had an issue with them or the team really.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's hard to have an issue with any team

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

when you're just, you know, you're so bad, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Did you have Ben Bitingston?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I could have.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And there was a point where I thought about jumping ship.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- It's still time.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I wouldn't blame you.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Well, it was like when they were really rolling,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I really did like call pepper.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like when I had Madden, I liked playing with call pepper

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and boss. - Call pepper and boss, baby.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- And I can't remember.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I can't remember the running back-name back.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Robert Smith.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, they were like, they're just like a fun team

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

to play with and like mom would watch them on Sundays

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and stuff.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I really thought about it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I was like, "Man, this seems like a better life.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

"This seems happier."

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I don't know if it was like,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they also sort of like underachieve

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and my mom's like, she gets really intense in the games.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I just didn't know if I wanted to be a part of that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like I got my own thing and my own misery.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I feel like if I just don't ship to yours,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

which doesn't seem that great,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I just wouldn't mind doing it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- It seems like a different kind of misery

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

because they're tantalized with almost success.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What feels like a bit more of a regular basis.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, I would agree.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- The heartbreak is probably

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

bare and strong. - They haven't won

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

a strong ball, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- No, I don't think so.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They're one of the three,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

but they've been to a couple.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

been to you. But no, I don't I

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

don't think they've ever won one.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, so I think we're the only

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

you might you might have to look

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

this up where there might be one

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

other team other than the lines

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that's never been to a Superbowl.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The Browns. Probably someone like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

no. Yeah, you're right. I think

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

it is the Texans.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Uh, the Jaguars.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, they never does it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The Browns jags lines Texans.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Okay.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Brown's Jack's.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, Brown's like, they were good though, when the NFL started, you know?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, the list of teams it's never won is pretty long.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Bangles, bills, Browns, Cardinals, Chargers, Falcons, Jack's, Lions, Panthers, Texans,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Titans, Vikings.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Vikings were the first team to make it to four Super Bowls.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They're also the first team to lose four Super Bowls.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Mmm.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's tough.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The bills would like a word.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Hold on a second. - Hold on a second.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Those did it more efficiently.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- How do they even rate the games they watch?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughing)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Today we're rating this from zero stars to one star.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- How wide left?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughing)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, God.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

All right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So do you want to do some best and worst?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Sure.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

All right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Greg, you want to go first?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

[LAUGHTER]

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm going to fucking slow play my hand here

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and see what you guys come up with.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm going to ask you that every week, though.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Steve, you want to go first?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Sure.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Sure.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't really have any worse.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's why I thought this game was good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

OK.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I have a couple of best, though.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Did you see--

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

OK.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

you're the only one who's gonna know this because you're the only one who watched it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But when they're coming in at a commercial,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

doesn't see that guy dressed as a pilgrim.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's just bad.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's like pointing and you can see like three inches of his stomach sticking out.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, fuck yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It made America baby.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, no, that definitely made Greg Gumbel and Phillips him speechless.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like they, they, they couldn't run with that at all.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There was also, there was also another fan that had

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

a full size turkey costume.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, we get that like an adult size turkey costume.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You made it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The trial.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It looked homemade.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You might be right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

These are lady in the lion print like jacket with a lion, like a real

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

lion on her head, not a real island, but like a stuffed lion on her head that had

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

a bow on its head.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Which one?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I feel like there was multiple of those.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The lion on her head.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And she was wearing like a lion print.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was ridiculous.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, there was a lot of lines for sure.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, for sure.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But my best best is obviously, I tried to edit the Wikipedia

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

for this.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I couldn't figure out how to do it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They probably like blocked me out, but under Troy Brown's

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

accomplishment section, it doesn't list the 2002 All Iron

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Award winner.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I would like to correct that if we can.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So yeah, so I guess Greg Gumbel and Phil Simms were giving away a trophy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I got excited until they showed the trophy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And it was a block a block of wood with an old school iron on top of it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, like the monopoly piece iron.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Fuck.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, dude.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, just go.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, well, let me get a new car.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Everybody needs a trophy, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What are you?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, no, Jesus Christ.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, you're only here.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The trophy's not fancy enough. That's what you're complaining about it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Hey, we're with Troy Brown. I guarantee Troy Brown did what Bell check does with AFC Championship

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

trophy. Just like the end of the day.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Somebody take this. Well, here's my problem.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This is going to garage.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

CBS has given out a goddamn monopoly piece and Fox is over here giving out six-legged

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

turkeys. That's what I'm saying.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's what it was. Six. Well, are those two duck ins though?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think they have six legs, Greg.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Nah, Steve over here is fucking cooking a chicken,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

trying to call it a turkey.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You're fraud.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- You're just jealous, you didn't get one of those fucking

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

turkey meat and stopping sandwiches for our things.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Go get one right now for fucking 598 at Target.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, it wasn't made of--

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Target, wrote this for chickens,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they saw them sh*t's everywhere.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- How are you talking about sandwiches?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You got a gas station, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Target.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Okay.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- All right, so that's your best is the award that you won?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, how would that not be the best?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That would be the best.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That is cool.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That was gonna be my worst.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Was that the most-- - Was it the worst?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Controversy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Was one of them, no.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Trevor, I had a great game.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- All right, I'm ready for--

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I think I just said everyone was like nine.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I'm ready for my Andy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- He did, yeah, the rest of team had eight.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

All right, let's hear it, Greg.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Well, my best is just the holiday of Thanksgiving.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Can we all agree? It's the best one. Yeah, you don't have to worry about gifts or anything.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

All you gotta worry about is overeating. Yeah. And this football on all day. And you

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

just fucking eat a fat meal. Take it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. How do the lions fans

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

feel about it though? Because they every year. So I think the general feeling is that we

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

love it because we're on every year. That's true. Because it's like, it's, it's cool to

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

just have games on in general, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like if you're a sports fan, you're like, football day,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

this is great.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But knowing that at least good or bad, again, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

'Cause you're like, by Wednesday, you bought back in.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So by Sunday, you're really in.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And by Thursday, you're like, yeah, I'm good on Thanksgiving.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So you're all in, and it's your team, and it's a holiday.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There's food, like all that good stuff

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

is just amplified by the fact that now--

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- And the game's not blacked out, I imagine.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, but then doesn't like Mitch Trubisky ruin it for you.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There. I mean, yeah, but it's always like no, the lines were to

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

for if you're in a room for Lions fans and you and you lose like

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

misery loves company and it's like a good like the Lions have been

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

bringing families together.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's like the 20s or whatever they

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

doesn't matter how bad right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The mirror.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So interestingly enough,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They played on Thanksgiving. The paths lines played in 2000 as well.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Do you know that?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Brady Brady's first ever throw in the NFL was on Thanksgiving.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Two thousand for three. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then again in 2010, they played both wear and throw by throwbacks.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, because I got this game confused.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I was like, this is going to be a ball because I had remembered the 2010 one.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That was like 30 something to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then 2012 was the bot fumble.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Those are the four times the paths have played Thanksgiving 2010 wasn't that

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Wasn't that the year?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The Patriots clinched the division

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

On Thanksgiving

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And there was one Thanksgiving

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Probably 2007 I'm mad at my minute, but I remember they clinched on Thanksgiving they clinched division Wow

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, maybe it was 2010. I think they're pretty good that year. Yeah, that's something that may have been there 14 to

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I just remember one Thanksgiving game where I feel like it was a later game because I remember the first bit of it

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

When dad got that electric wine cooler and we tried to like drink the bag wine to make it fit in there

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then someone got in a fight and I was I was all amped up and mom was mad at me

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's all I'm pretty sure that was Thanksgiving might have been Christmas probably not Christmas. I don't know some sort of big

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, I'm pretty sure I was Thanksgiving. Yeah, I remember those that was last year Steve

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughing)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- And the year before.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, that was an every year before.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- We gotta stop getting dad electric line coolers.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- We gotta stop getting you bags of wine.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Who's is?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- It's all dad's fault.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That feels my right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- All right, so my worst,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm looking through this article of Marty Morningway

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

getting suspended at college.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This is 1983.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm gonna look at some of the advertisements.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

an RCA like block TV 25-inch or 600 bucks.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- For how big a TV?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- 600 bucks dude for a TV.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's like a fucking--

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- 25 inch.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughing)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That's a 25 inches dude.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I was expecting to see prices be like super low,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

but everything's wicked expensive.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Do you know how technology works?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, what a nerd.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That's exactly how it works.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

$839 for 25 inch. What that's not even true, Andy. Fucking iPhones are still going up.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, but they're good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Us more every year. Okay, Andy, explain to me how technology works. Okay. It's the fucking

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

hot pants. Bro, I've seen you try to work technology. It's your beyond help. All right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Go fuck yourself.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

All right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

My best was

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the referee in this game who had a black guy in 12 stitches

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

from getting lit up the week before in pregame and you had to miss the game

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

because he was getting 12 stitches and a black guy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I thought that was a ridiculous way to get hurt or get 12 stitches.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We got hit.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

in pre game.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

>> I'm not going to run into it or something.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, in pre game.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

>> Before the game.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

>> It's like the worst referee injury.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I can't remember any like, yeah, referees really getting jacked up.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

>> Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

>> Since we actually haven't talked about this game, I'm going to throw out some other

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

best which were Teddy Bruce game is pick six.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I think I asked right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I want to put out the point that Teddy Bruce you probably has the best hands out of any

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

NFL player who wore neck roll.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Hmm.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Because he makes some quality catches across the middle.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That was the second pick six of the year.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was Zach Thomas.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, Zach Thomas.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Where are Nick?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Actually, yeah, I did.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But let's see.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm going to career interceptions.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

How many pick six does he have?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Because this was the very stereotypical Bruce G.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

How many Bruce do you have?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What about some full back risk?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You had like four in three years.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I mean, we talk about this.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, six.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You want to do you want to guess?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Nick roles.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, back to guess.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Zach Thomas is career.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Continue and I'm going to say like eight.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Pick six.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Andy, no, just interceptions.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, interception.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't know.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, probably like eight or 10.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

17.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Hey, how many interceptions does Teddy have?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Because we just talked to pick six and say that's true.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

How many of those are for touchdowns?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

None because he's on the fucking I never know how to spell Bruce

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

BRE W. S. K. I like my new

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I stack still can't look at what is it? B. R. U. No

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Fuck fuck me dude

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, but that's spelly

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, best stands in the neck roll.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Fuckin' Zach Thomas.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Are you happy now, Greg?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You should have gone teddy-brisky.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, how dare you?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Man, it had a hole in his harness looking back and play football.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You're going to shit on him for this?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Cool.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, anyways, back to people getting hurt in pregame.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I was watching Quentin Nelson, the guy for the Colts.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's like Top 100 thing.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There was like in pregame, there was the punter,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like just practicing and it like hit it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He hit a couple of neuro and then so Nelson like grabs the ball

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and punts it like 60 rows deep and then goes up into the punters face

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

is like you fucking do that again.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'll kill you.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Who is Nelson is?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Who is not?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Is a psychopath man.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I love that guy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I wanted to get that story in and you'd already moved on.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So I just want to start interrupt.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Um, my worst is probably the pages getting a pump blocked.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That was ugly.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And that was the first punt block of the lion season.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And also lines wasted it anyways though.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They did.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They wasted a lot of things.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't even think they got a field goal in that one.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Uh, don't believe they did.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, because Harrington threw a pick to a Willie McGinnis a couple of ways later.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then the other, this is in solidarity with Mama Brown, but Troy Brown out there, when

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

number 80 in the throwbacks, looked like Irving Fryer.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And across my mind too.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And the whole Patriots offense looked like an Irving Fryer led Patriots offense where

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

he was literally the only thing going for them.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Because he had ten catches for

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was like a hundred something yards and the 111 I think yeah, and the rest of the eight catches combined

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So it was one being a tip ball to patent right that was intended for

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

of course

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That was probably my worst I would say that or

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

James Stewart getting knocked out by his own teammate. Oh, yeah

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Jeez, he's just piling the worst song huh?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Port Trevor come on. I got plenty of them. Dude one and a half fucking Lombardi Steve and he's

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's true. Tough man to police

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was not a great game the throwbacks dude. Thanksgiving

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I was looking forward to this game now. I am on the opposite chain of I think most people

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Do like the Detroit throwbacks and I think I think they look stupid. I've never been a fan. Yeah, they're pretty bad

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, there's nothing to them. Yeah, they're not as green Bay ones. They're not as bad as green Bay

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, I agree. There are some worse, but it's right

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So I guess like yeah, they haven't changed the color scheme and then they kind of just

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Gradually upgraded, but I just if there's something bad like you just you don't have to bring it back to history like just

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Kind of leave it there like where something else

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like it's it's okay because like I get it if you look like shit probably play like shit

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

it's pumped up putting on like that fucking blue t-shirt.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Just like that pilgrim in the stands.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't care.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- There you go, just like Turkey's fucking.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughing)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- There's not even a lion on their throwbacks.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- No, yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- And back, well back when they had,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

so if you look at like the evolution of the lion,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like logo, it used to be, there was a version of it

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that's like super, super cool,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

but I think the early, early version,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

it's like really complicated.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It went look good on a jersey.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's kind of has to be blown up to look good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Well, anything's better than those fucking practice

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

or five football jerseys.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, those are just like, hey, Reebok, no budget.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Send us what you got.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Okay, we got these blue ones.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Are the numbers extra?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, no.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughing)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- They ironed the numbers on before they went on.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, our coach was just the,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Our coach was just the worst negotiator of all time.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Who do you think are the numbers on?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Matt Millen.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Barbara.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No way guys.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We're ready.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

My kickoff.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It the best jerseys ever are the creams of gold box jerseys.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They're up.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They need to wear those again.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They're all that logo is sick too.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Have the cable.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We're looking to fire it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the wind swept bucket in a knife. Yeah, that's cool. Sweet.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

All right, Trevor, you got you got best and worst for this game?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We were some worse. That's fine. Well, the best was the punt block,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

because I think those are like few and far between. And that was

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

almost returned for a touchdown. So that was cool. The worst was

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

actually the Bruce key high and T for for a touchdown. Because as I

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I was watching like the highlights, whatever, the short version of the game, but you could

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the lines had just gone down and scored.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think it was literally the it was our first possession.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, it was.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, it was.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was like it was the second play from scrimmage for the lines.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was a different.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It might have been a different interception.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Maybe it was that one.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't know.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I just think it any time.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Honestly, any time you throw pick six, it's just such a momentum killer.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

get sucks. It's just it's such a shitty like that's how you start like if that

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

was the second play again that's how you started off. Yeah man that sucks. Yeah that's fair.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And that's the best of the game probably Jason Hanson 4 4 4 4 baby.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh I'm a famed probably working on his golf game on the sideline. I don't need to worry about kicking.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, all right, this has been fascinating for me to find somebody on the other end of the spectrum.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

From life, someone's got to live it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I guess I don't think you have to.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It does.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Maybe it's a trend.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Really don't, but I don't know.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You'd be surprised at like guys that just they have jump ship like early early.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then like, you know, talking like maybe like 10 to 12 years old or whatever,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

they're like, this is enough is enough.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They shift teams.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They go go to college and then they moved to a different city and like, it's okay.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They, no one knows your lines, you could for all, you know, you grew up

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

a saint's hand.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like it doesn't matter.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like those guys are good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I just never thought that that was a possibility.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I was like, um, I am, I am in.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And at this point now I really can't change.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Now I'm really invested.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's so cost fallacy, right?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Last year, me and our the coworker,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

we bet on the Lions over and wins,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

just so we could feel it a little bit, you know?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We'd be like 20 bucks down a Lions to win six games.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And Stafford went down.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I told them.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I was like, guys, it's over.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We are not-- this is--

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

we are fighting for yards at this point.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Little wins.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Do it the wrong.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They went no one eight.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's so good though. We're like three and five like we're definitely hitting me over.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah. Yeah, they didn't know me. That's that's rough.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, all right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What do we have to look forward to next week, boys? We're playing. I don't know. We are home against

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

the Detroit lines of the AFC East.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Buffalo. Hey, got in one.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, speaking of which.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, is this the hat?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, it arrived.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We got a shick-a-wing hat.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I came over my headphones, though, this fucking thing.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Give me the side profile view.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It doesn't even look like a chicken wing.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, it's just like a turdish.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's racks.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You know what?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I like that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I like that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I like that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, it's like a rocket ship, Greg.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's a rocket ship, not a car.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

30 rockets.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, I think you're painting of a fucking rocket ship.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So I think all the listeners at home are all going to have the same question.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What does it smell like?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Does it smell like chicken wings?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Dude, well, I'll tell you what.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

of all, it's very poorly made. Like, really? It's one of those things where I could just

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like rip this off and it was like, you know, like the phone. Like a nerve football. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So, and that's essentially what it smells like too, if you compare it to like a foam

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

football you found in your basement. It's starting to like deteriorate here. It's brand

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

new. I mean, I guess you get what you pay for when you buy a fucking chicken wing hat

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

from a restaurant and get it shipped halfway across the country. You bought that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

like 50 bucks though.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, it's bad Steve.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

All right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, I mean, that gets us in the mood for for the Buffalo bills coming

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

to tell me that's right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We thought we circles the wagons like the Buffalo bills.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I love that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Is that is that a preview of you?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We're going to have some more.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was burnism for us.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, maybe next week I might just do just be a Bells fan for the week.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

How about that?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't spice to the podcast.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, one, I don't know if you can drink enough.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Dude, I'm just going to get a fucking 36 pack of lobot blue.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's what I was going to say.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'll blow that blue because I don't know if they sell it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

North Carolina.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I like what that blue.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's pretty good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That blue is a great fear.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, it's just tough to find anywhere south of New York.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I like icy lights too.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I see light.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Iron, iron, iron, city light.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The Steelers.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They're not bad.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, it's not bad.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's not good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's not bad.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's not good, but it's it's like it's better than Miller light.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And no, it's good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's good tailgate and beer.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Oh, that's I don't know.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

We're kind of into this, but let's do it.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Being a Lions fan, the tailgates are fantastic.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Because everybody knows it's typically, like statistically, it's downhill from there.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So the tailgates are pretty electric.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I'm assuming the Browns the same way.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I keep an around.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The worse your team is.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Maybe the better the tailgate.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There's got to be a correlation.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You just tailgates aren't that crazy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They're not that awesome.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's true. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's too much entitlement happening.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The game is.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's also probably like a blue collars city thing.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like if you think of like one LA tailgate,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

it looks like I bet it's horrendous.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, I bet Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, all those.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think I think those Detroit Buffalo tickets are probably cheaper to get.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So yeah, definitely a wider range of people going to them.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's kind of like an open.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

To get more of the true people coming to the games instead of the the luxury class switch

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

As we know not great fans. That's you I need you final fucking nerds. I wish fucking nerds

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

fucking Joey Harry

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Third down percentage

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Free enough mean averages from correlations if you graph it out on your or your TI 86 you'll see

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Somebody in the locker room. I don't know who but one of the veterans just had to eventually be like hey

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

What's the percentage of you shut the fuck up?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, no way someone didn't say that

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

how long do you last on

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

On on the lines because we could probably put five cents that's how long was Harrington there?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

five six six seven years I think really oh man that's

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

to do the one no, no, it could have been that maybe five years max.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Then he went because he went to the dolphins.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't remember that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So maybe it was only four. Maybe we didn't resign them.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was four years. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Dolphins in that Atlanta and then he retired. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He actually played Detroit on Thanksgiving as a dolphin for, you said,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

there was a Miami for like what, like two, two years probably.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Just one year. One year.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It started 11 games though, which is surprising.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Started 10 games for Atlanta, too, which I don't remember all don't remember that. Yeah

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That must have been the

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Year before they drafted Ryan had to be right. Yeah, post Vic. Yep. Yeah

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I would say those were the dog days

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

They by the way, I just listened to the episode the other day I specifically told you to cut the rape joke Andy

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, this is that one too.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It did.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, I'm actually really you did it because I heard it last night.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, I heard it too.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

The off-color one, Greg, you mean?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yes.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's like, "He's had a backtrack."

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I cut the joke.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Nope.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, not your redo version.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Whoops.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There was still in there.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, that's good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I hope no one for my work ever listens as fuck.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Well, Greg fired.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- So fucked.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- So fucked.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughing)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Greg's running for office in a couple of years.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughing)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, don't.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Oh boy, at least we're having fun, right guys?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That's right, as well as life's about.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Everybody except Trevor.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Now I'll tell you what though,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I told Steve, I was like, so what can I expect?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And he was like, well, you know,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

we're gonna kind of watch the game

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

or you watch the game prior, drink some beers,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and just talk about what it means to be a lion's fan.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This is kind of like free therapy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

This was good for me.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think I needed this August to just kind of level my head.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And now I'm ready to go.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- You ready to work?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I'm all in.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- That's for us. - I think this is the year.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I think so.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- It was like, yeah, they got to be running back.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Swift Swift. Oh, dude, that guy is like fail guy from my work.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That's like his his like nephew. The killing Georgia. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, that's not good. That's not good.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right. Yeah. What are his feelings?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Dude, why is that not good, Andy?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He's sad that the guy went to Detroit, I think. Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So I always that I always wondered that like when I was a kid or not,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Not like more so now because now it's like, well, you get a job.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You're getting paid millions and millions of dollars.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, I think that's right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But when I was a kid, like I was always like, man, like people probably really

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

hate coming here.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like they're probably sitting over there like not to try not to try.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Not to try.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Fingers crossed just praying.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was like the gauntlet.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It was like, fuck.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Especially the guys that went to like Miami or, you know, like they have to be like, yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, at least so I think with Miami, if you play bad, you have built in excuses.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Maybe they went out partying.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

It's a cool city.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There's lots to do warm weather.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You have no excuse, especially in 2002 with like Detroit.

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If anything, you would think like because there was nothing to do.

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The city was not great back in 2002.

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Now much, much better.

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Oh, to and it was peak just it was just run down.

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Like there just, there wasn't like a thriving businesses and stuff like that.

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And then it only got worse and, you know, riding up until '08.

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Um, might as well study the playbook.

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Yeah.

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You would think football nerd Joey Harrington would have been studying the playbook instead.

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I don't know.

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It was kicking rocks in the street.

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I don't know what it was doing.

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Maybe he was just studying the wrong place.

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You're studying the interception place.

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Well, it doesn't help when your coach draws the playbook in crayons.

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It got a

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Songs lost in translation

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Marty poor Marty I feel bad for I better make a pretty I don't feel that man

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I mean, what else is he doing? Yeah, you probably joined us right?

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He's he's still in the NFL

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Yeah, he's an offensive consultant for the Eagles.

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Oh, that's right. Yeah. Cause that was it last year,

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year before he was on the Ravens.

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Ravens, yeah. Yeah. Two years ago.

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Still stick around.

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Some did. That's what happens. You know, he foot in the door.

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A huge accent goes on 16 and he's still fucking kicking around.

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That's true. Yeah.

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We're talking 2002 failure and he's still around like that's.

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Yeah.

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- That's a massive stain power.

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- That is.

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- That guy, you know what?

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- I'm kind of with you, Craig.

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Like we may be down pointing this guy.

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Like we're not giving him enough credit.

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I don't like.

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- Now, Matt Millen, there's someone that,

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he's out of the NFL, right?

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- He is, he's out of the NFL.

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He actually had a health scare a little bit ago,

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but Detroit, there's, I think,

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Two people in Detroit history that I think people will always,

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always, always have a bad taste in their mouth.

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One was a governor who was really like crooked.

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He ended up going to, and it was Kwame Kilpatrick.

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And that I think made national news,

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just like stole a shitload of money, stuff like that.

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And then the other one is Matt Millen.

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And there was a parade for when he was, he was fired.

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There was a legit, there was a parade.

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(laughing)

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to celebrate some like there was two like people made tombstones it was like yeah I mean people were through the roof when

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this fire it was I mean it was ridiculous I mean there was like people would have

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fire million signs and people would chant it what would they write it on the paper

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bags if they were wherever they're heading yeah and it got so bad that if if you were

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caught having it going into the stadium they would take it away from you like

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He was just that that was part of the culture that was it was just toxic like the whole thing

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Right. Oh my god. Did this a fucking Wikipedia section the fire millen movement

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Saying that at like a fucking

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In Los Angeles that an NBA game between Detroit and the Clippers there was a chant started in Los Angeles fire map millen

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Well, I

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Came like fun like it. Yeah, it became a thing

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But also like it was like haha, but like no, but seriously this guy's okay. We draft another wide receiver

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I'm gonna lose my shit. I'm gonna say this is like yeah, I know yeah

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Like you hear fire day and snide or like sell the team chance for like

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It says that even Rashid Wallace started chanting it during a time-out and

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I love she that's amazing

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Yeah that was that was those the 04-05 pistons and they were they were pretty

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good through up until like 2010 ish yeah and the Tigers were also good right

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around like oh 708 up and through like 2014 ish right that that is sort of what got you through

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like the lions just atrociousness and then the wings obviously in the early 2000s were

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were really good as well so there was a lot of like balance now it's kind of in a period where

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everybody stinks and i'm a little far removed because i don't i don't live in michigan anymore

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obviously, but I just with no big 10 football, right?

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So you don't have Michigan to bounce back on or Michigan State.

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They probably would they would be bad in football this year too.

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So that just kind of adds to the suckiness for out the state, right?

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But it's just a depressing time to be a Detroit sports fan right now.

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Every team is just in the bottom.

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That's tough.

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That's tough.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

There's just nothing to look forward to.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Um, I'm like Boston.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, exactly where the, where the trouble of Travis experience it at work as soon as my

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team is out of the playoffs, everyone's like, Oh, shit, what do you think about that?

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And I go, it's, it's what do you mean, hockey's over is basketball season.

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What do you mean basketball or it's football season?

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What do you mean football's over.

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It's hockey season.

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What do you mean baseball's over basketball season.

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You know, I immediately just pivot.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You just go to the next one.

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Yeah, that like month and a half between Brady and Cam Newton, those tough times.

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It was almost didn't make it through to our next NFL MVP quarterback.

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I almost gave up on football.

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I'm in a group chat with.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, Steve is in one of them.

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Our buddy Scott Kravitz and Grant Johnson, and they're all pretty big Boston fans.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And every, it's like usually every three months, I have to like send this massive message just reminding them of how, how good their life actually is in perspective of the sports world.

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Boston sports fans have to be some of the most spoiled sports fans.

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There's in probably all of sports, maybe in the world.

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I mean, you guys literally took the, the city of champions.

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And it's when my girlfriend's from Pittsburgh.

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So when Pittsburgh claims, we are the city of champions

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for this reason, this reason, this reason.

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And then Boston comes and literally it's almost

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like a checkbox.

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But it's double all--

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Oh, you have all the Super Bowls, we got that.

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Hockey, we have a Stanley Cup.

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You want to talk about World Series?

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Yep, we just now won two of those as well.

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When you literally just take that and mute a city from a title, I can't think of anything

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more disrespectful.

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I mean, that's impressive, right?

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Like my favorite stat was that we beat St. Louis in the championship of every major sport

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in America.

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until they beat us in the.

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Oh, Stanley cut.

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Even last year.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that would have been sweet.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Right.

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Wait, have we beaten the blues before?

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We wait.

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Well, basketball team.

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Well, every sport that they they had.

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Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

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Like every major sports team that they had.

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Right.

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That's my that's my thing.

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The Pittsburgh fans were like, yeah, we're just done everything.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And then also we have 17 NBA championship banners.

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and you guys already have a fucking team.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Right.

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- I could be a city of champions,

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you know, like a goddamn basketball team.

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- And it's one reason because I've talked about that

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and like Pittsburgh seems like the concept of basketball

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is totally oblivious.

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They just, they're like, we--

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- Oh, it's not a real sport.

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- No, like it's seriously like, I think if you talk to like

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real like die hard Pittsburgh fans,

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like they'll tell you like basketball is so distant.

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Like even like, I don't think a lot of kids,

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they might grow up playing basketball,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

But I think the winner sport that they focus on is wrestling.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And I think that takes away from any major basketball

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enthusiasm.

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And I think that's pretty unique to like--

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I think that's how they closely relate to like Ohio.

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Because I think in Ohio, it's similar.

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But I think a lot of other East Coast big cities,

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basketball is that dominant kind of winner sport.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And also in the winters, they spend a lot of time

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

having sex with their siblings so I can't discount that time spent you know

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what? Stop the South Greg come on

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it sounds to me you are wearing a hoodie right now Andy it's fucking 91 degrees in Virginia

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nope it's 50 something in New Hampshire bro all right let's finish this thing up

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I want to say that I am on this Thanksgiving day. I'm thankful for you to my brothers. I

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Love you both

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It was great meeting you Trevor. I hope we all have another great year under our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Amen what thanks guy always take thanks good seriously, Steve. Yeah

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- Yeah. - Yeah.

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- I'm thankful your chicken wing hat finally showed up

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

and you didn't get built out of 50 bucks.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, me too.

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- Spending it to some random bar and buffalo.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- I can't wait to smell it myself.

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- It does look like I got a wrinkly ballsacked in,

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an orange wrinkly, I think it's not looking really like chicken.

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- Like the Chester Cheetos,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

that's like Chester Cheetos ballsacked right there.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Steve, what do your balls look like

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if that reminds you of a ball sack, but.

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- Big wrinkly, what do you mean?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- What do yours look like?

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Well, for one, they're both about the same size.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Grand Canyon.

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Great, kid.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

A lot of folds.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Greg, stop, stop stroking.

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It's got one big lump here.

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See this thing?

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Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Probably had checked out.

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But you must take kids there.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah, I wish you guys had an ad for some prostate, dude.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

That'd be a great plug-in right now.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Maybe you guys--

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Greg, you want a plug?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, you wanna plug a press eight?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- You wanna plug the main.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- What do you mean?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- The Buffalo bar that sat that to you?

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Oh yeah, then.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Oh, that's a good question.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I don't think I even know what it is, if I'm being honest.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

(laughs)

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- It took me like 20 minutes to find it the first time.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Wings are us.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, but if you're looking,

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

weren't we saying we were gonna give it away

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

to like the best Buffalo fan?

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- What? - Not about this.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

- Yeah, whoever leaves the best review

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

as a buffalo fan even if you're not a buffalo fan you can mock them with your

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mock review

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i will send you

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all right chicken wing hat

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

so any worth fifty dollars on the internet i'll send it for fucking god damn

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free to get out of my house

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it's like a thing sucks

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

all right so the best buffalo related review that we get

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get some free chicken wing

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Yeah, shake away a hat. All right.

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All right.

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The Trevor, work on your review.

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Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Well, just write it as a line span and then change all lines and Detroit to muffle.

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You do that control F.

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Find and replace.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And you can do that at rate.

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What is it?

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RateThis Podcast.com/atspod.

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Steve, you remembered. Look at you.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

You say it every time.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And even I forget it.

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Yeah.

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RateThis Podcast.com.

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for all of your latest Patriots die set info stats.

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You fucking dead.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yeah. So if you're Joey Harrington, you're listening to this and you want some statistics.

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I'll tell you if we get Joey Harrington to listen to this podcast, I want him to

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rate me because I know rating of him.

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I would like Joey Harrington to give me a rating.

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I okay.

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On a just a scale of one to five.

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Actually, no, we'll do a little of already trophies, but no.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

He can't be in chips because he has the rules say he did not win one.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So just Lombardi's.

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All right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

So yeah, so the best Trevor review gets his Joe

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to Joe, which will probably be handmade because that's how the lines work.

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It'll be a blue shirt or white.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Some numbers on to blue remark.

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It's a year away.

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Yeah.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Nice.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Hanes will be beautiful.

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It'll be the throwback.

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Yeah, we're signing ourselves up to things we can't do.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Like you don't know how to iron Andy.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I know that.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

I know how to iron if it involves a prank.

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All right.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

No, tell me.

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All right, gentlemen, this has been a pleasure.

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Thank you Trevor for joining us.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Thank you guys.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

And we will see you all next week on the page.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Thanks.

2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions

Yes.

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Thanks, Kevin.

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See you all later.

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(silence)

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