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2002 Week 9: Patriots at Bills

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Watchability score: 3/6 Lombardis


The losing streak is finally over! Join the 3 Brown brothers as they celebrate surviving the longest losing streak in Patriots Dynasty history. All four games of them. But what's better to end a losing slide than a trip to Buffalo, New York?


The boys talk about:

  • The problems with taking baths
  • Berman nicknames
  • Bountygate
  • What to call the Washington football team?
  • Greg impulse buys a chicken wing hat
  • Steve struggles with stat checks


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Episode Transcript

Patrick. Should we just start calling Greg Siri? Well, we were calling him Alexa for a while. We can call him Greary. The difference is when you insult me like you just did, you can see my reaction and get some satisfaction in knowing that you hurt me on the inside, right? Greg Siri is just like, please don't say that. I want Siri to be offended.

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They beat the Texans, Dolphins, and Lions coming in. I have a confession to make. Uh-oh. Well, like, I had kept myself intentionally in the dark on when the slide was going to end. You know? Yeah, we talked about that. I knew this was the longest losing streak of the Patriots dynasty. And I didn't know when it was going to end, but then I saw the Bills, and I was like, well, Tom Brady's like 28-3 against the Bills.

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They lost four in a row. This isn't the Patriots tickets we know and hate. It's the city of Buffalo. You go there, you go to the game, then you go home. You're not going for the nightlife and also catching a game. That's what you would do. You would go to the casino in Niagara Falls. I revel in the filth though.

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The 12s. That's the big difference, right? Really passionate fan base, but they are so fucking corny and forced. And like, you can tell they're doing it to like, hey, look at me. Whereas Buffalo, it's the most authentic, ridiculous fan base ever. 100%. Yeah. And I hope they never change. And part of me thinks that they aren't like on social media, so they'll never even realize that they have this following. They haven't got the internet up in Buffalo yet. Hopefully they don't listen to

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this podcast. We just got it now in New Hampshire, so they'll get it next 10 years or so. Yeah, there were some. So actually, yeah, let's let's do the let's give a watchability score. Greg, you don't have to because you didn't watch. Okay, sure. But did you actually watch it, Greg? No, I watched the highlights. Okay. You want to? I'll give it like three Lombardies and one AFC championship as like a competitive game. Not very competitive, but.

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Nothing like snapping the slide by absolutely burying the bills. Yeah, see, I disagree with you. Because going into this, like, we've been doing a month of Patriots losses on this podcast. We record once a week, and the last four weeks have been, like, more and more brutal losses. Wait, is that, it was only four games in a row they lost? Yeah, kind of. That's the longest losing streak in Patriots

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history is four games in a row yeah you made it how do you feel uh vindicated there's like a new man like a new appreciation yeah so it's four games but there was a bye can we can we take a moment and appreciate that the longest losing streak is four games right and we almost stopped doing the podcast because of it the lions lost all 16 in a year that's insanity yeah didn't the the

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We're going to make a bunch of dumb front office moves and we're going to draft a wide receiver in the first round. That's just what we do. The Celtics were kind of dog shit for a while there. It's true. Early Pierce. Yeah, Early Pierce. I mean, the Pierce and Antoine were fun to watch, but they won that one playoff game against Indiana, which we enjoyed. And then they pulled it together at the end of it.

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and taking that piss and it's just like the relief and the feeling of it or you know i'm sure there's other examples that we won't get into but

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like what shaving your half beard off oh yeah there you go and just just feeling the lightness well yeah is that i mean i got feeling a deep sense of regret or immediate regret i'll be on a bills fan

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Only? This is the longest losing streak we've had to endure. We've had to endure. Think about all the other people we've had on this podcast and we will have in the podcast of like, God, just Cleveland Browns fans. But also something to like expectations too. It doesn't feel that bad when you're not coming off a Super Bowl. When you're expected to lose. Right.

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That's a lot. Five, six, seven, eight. Eight. Courtney Brown. Courtney Brown. Oh, yeah. Are we going to do this? All right. Yep. Jim. Jim Brown. Jim Brown. Courtney Brown. You'll know what I got. I'll know. Well, I know any. Played for the Patriots. More recently. More recently, Courtney Brown. Defensive lineman. Malcolm Brown. Bill like a square. Malcolm Brown. No. Bill like a square.

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Tune in this Sunday for Young Sheldon. That's what I don't miss about sports. It's fucking Young Sheldon commercials. I am. I have been surprised by how often they're pushing the fantasy football angle. Yeah, it started. Like to me in my head, fantasy didn't start until like Randy Moss and Tom Brady. Yeah, this is like the CBS one too, which I think is a paper. Yeah, but like it's strange to see like in 2001 and even 2002 like NFL.com.

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AOL keyword NFL.com fantasy you know like it was weird how early they were pushing it yeah it's true do you want to talk about these bills I guess so yeah I just I just want to set the scene though for me watching this game yeah I made it into a little event I ran myself a bath poured some water glass of wine lit some candles really I took no notes just do you even have a bathtub in your house yeah you bathe

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Not often, but yes. I like to save it up for a week so then that first. What kind of baths are you taking? Yeah, you put like Epsom salts in there? Oh, yeah. Bubbles? Yeah, sometimes a bath bomb. See, the thing about baths is it's always like decreasing returns, right? The best part is getting in when it's super hot and then it just gets worse and worse. So I don't really like baths for that reason. Now you got to keep the hot water running.

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That's what Kelly told me. That's a genius idea. Yeah. But my problem with bath is I'm too big for them. So I can never get all the way underwater. The head floats. It's weird. That's what I was going to say. It floats. And then the top sticks out if it's cold. Dick won't fit in the top. No, my knees don't. That cold knees. Yeah. Oh, lordy. Yeah, this was another one.

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I take the bath and the dick takes a bath. I usually shower, but then after I'll take a bath, a dick bath. I did think the Bills were super stacked on offense. They had Drew Bledsoe, who was still legit as fuck back then.

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I think this was like his best year. Yeah. At least up until this point it was. They had those two sick receivers. Eric Mullen and Peerless Price. Who was the third receiver that was also super good as a rookie? Josh Reed. He played pretty well. Yeah, Josh Reed. Jay Reemersma. Sweet name for the time. Travis Henry. Greg, is he in your number one Hall of Fame of kids, right?

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I have maybe like seven or eight Berman nicknames and then I gave a run myself at making some for the bills. Okay. This might have to be a new thing. To grade my Berman nicknames. All right. Well, how about you? I'm actually reasonably excited for this. How about you give us a nickname and we tell you who came up with it? Oh, I like that. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. Mix them up a bit. All right.

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Reuben Extra Coleslaw Brown. That's you. That's a good one though. It was like Reuben Drones or something like that, wasn't it? Do you have the Bourbon nickname as well or are you just coming up with random nicknames? I basically just, they're all going to be me for the Bills because I went through their roster and used that. I'll give you a couple of my favorite ones.

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Yeah, let's start with the strong ones. That was not your best, Craig. Oh, that was my best. How about this one? Koi Wire, you know, Koi Wire. Yeah, he played decent. Don't play Koi with me, Wire. Alex Van Beaverpelt. That's not bad.

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That's a Berman. Larry Centers of Attention. Not bad. Not bad. Another good one. David Dinkins Donuts. I love it. Steve really liked that one. What the fuck position did he play though? Because I don't even know who the fuck that is. He was an injured reserve quarterback.

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That explains why that is that Berman's name for him or is it yours? This one, Deshawn Polk, a dotted bikini. I can see Berman singing that one. I think that's all the ones that I came up with. I'll give you some of Berman's ones because I went down that rabbit hole. Well, what actually got me down the rabbit hole

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was Christian Euphoria, which I thought was pretty good. I actually can't help but think that in my head when he scores a touchdown. Yeah. Like that with Andre Bad Moon Risen. Yep, that's on here. So apparently, I watched an interview with Berman and he was saying that it's one of his favorites. And apparently, Andre Risen has a tattoo that just says Bad Moon on his arm. Oh, what? Chris Berman was like, there's no way.

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He's a Cleedence Clearwater Revival fan. He's like, he got that from me. He is now. Which is 100% true. Yeah. So that was an interview with Rich Eisen. And Rich was like, you got any nicknames for me? And he's like, Rich Lucy in the Sky with Eisen. Just off the top of the dome? I think he had thought of it before because he had like four or five of them. Got it. Yeah. Let's see. J. Touchy Feely.

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with BNME. That's a classic. Oh, yeah. Yep. And here's actually another Buffalo Bill one. Peerless actual retail price. I've heard that one. He's the best. He's the best. And the funny thing is, no Ricky Prole ones? He shampoos his way for a first down. I remember. Ricky Prole position. Ooh. Do you think he just like sits there and like thinks

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team with 11 fumbles each. Him and Travis Henry both fumbled 11 times. Each. Yeah. But they still put up points. What are they at? Was their ending record? Guess. They started 5-3. You got hit with the old robot boys. What is that, by the way? It's lag. 9-7.

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How about we do one thing at a time? Yeah. Do we want to talk about Bounty Gate? Because this is Zach Greg Williams. Let's talk about it. I actually didn't put that together, but you're right. He was the what? Offensive coordinator for them? No, he was the defensive coordinator. This was his thing. Well, he was not very good at it, clearly, because we fucking hung 38 on him. Well, he was the head coach for the Bills, right? And we can also dovetail this into Antoine Smith's revenge game.

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17-31. So they were a.354 winning percentage. So not great. And then he started as a defensive coordinator four years before that. This is his first head coach job. Didn't go well. And then back to defensive coordinating with Washington for a bunch of years, Jacksonville, and then New Orleans in 2009, 2010, and 2011.

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finding that despite the players being very much involved the coaches and the saints organization were primarily responsible for the scandal so where is he at now he was at cleveland right and then he was their interim coach yeah exactly so he was he was that cleveland um defensive coordinator and then was their interim head coach after what's his name the guy that went oh and hugh jackson yeah hugh jackson got fired and he finished the season five and three and everybody like all the browns fans

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He came off as a prick. Well, clearly he's a bounty gate and I mean, you can't take that Bill's roster and turn him into nothing. Yeah, but last year he was the defensive coordinator for your New York Jets. Yes, I love that. I didn't know that. Oh, wow. It comes full circle. GG, Greg. The Jets defense soft.

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Jamal Adams is like, get me the fuck out of here. Oh, that's amazing. They wouldn't pay him enough to help other people. Wow. This whole podcast thing isn't worth it just for that little nugget of knowledge right there. That Greg Williams, everyone's like, oh, Sam Darnold sucks. But low-key, their defense should be way better than it could be because of the talent on there and all the talent on there is like, I don't want to be here.

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I love it. Oh, yes. Greg Williams and Adam Gase. Yeah. The old Bills head coach, the old Dolphins head coach, uniting and shit. Oh, that's true, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, the Patriots against Greg Williams, Buffalo Bills teams were 5-1. Capably lost them. In the three years. I bet you know the loss, though. The 31-0.

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That was not Greg Williams. That was nothing to do with Greg Williams. That was Bill Belichick. I have some Greg Williams quotes from Bounty Gate that are... Oh, yeah? Well, so I actually have an admission myself. I was like, oh, yeah, like Bounty Gate. I never really read much about it at the time, I think. Yeah, me too. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to revisit this and like see what all the details were.

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want to be aggressive you don't want him to go out there and play with like some you know being timid and shit like that but then the more I got into it they so they were filming a document this is how it all came out is they were filming a documentary in the locker room of like an NFC championship game around that time for the Saints and one of the filmmakers caught his like hype speed

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the night before the game. And this is against San Francisco back in like the Alex Smith days. Oh, yeah. I'll just read you some of the quotes from this. Oh, boy. It's going to be bad. Yeah. Kill the head and the body will die. Kill the head and the body will die. We've got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore's head. We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways.

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So they had a wide receiver, Kyle Williams, that had concussion stuff coming out of college. Oh, that sounds familiar. The little wide receiver, number 10, about his concussion. We need to fucking put a lock on him right now. He needs to decide. He needs to fucking decide. Michael Crabtree. We need to decide whether Crabtree wants to be a fake-ass prima donna, which is hilarious.

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Or if he wants to be a tough guy. We need to find it out. He becomes human. Oh, he becomes human when we fucking take out that outside ACL. Jesus Christ. We need to decide on how many times we can beat Frank Gore's head. I'm sensing a theme. Psychopath, dude. We need to decide how many times we can bull rush and we can fucking put Vernon Davis's ankles over the pile.

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Oh yeah. So yeah, he, there's a line between like, I want you guys to play aggressive football. Sure. And like, I don't, I don't want you to like feel bad about playing hard. And then there's like, this guy's had concussions in the past, hit him in the head, hit him in the head, hit him in the fucking head. And we're like, here is ACL. Yeah. And go for his right ACL because that's the one that's dodgy. You know? And, and for real, he's glad for Frank Gore, who is like an absolute,

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It's like a respected NFL veteran. Go up and punch that M1 Abrams. Take your fist and it's an M1 Abrams. I know it's an M1 Abrams. Go up there and just like beat on it with your fist. Headbutt it. I don't want you to come out the field unless you've headbutted that. That shit is way more fucked up than that Richie Incognito shit. Yeah, for sure. Way like, just no sportsmanship in that.

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It's just real fucked up. That's more fucked up than anything the Patriots have ever gotten caught for too. Like Spygate, Bounty Gate, whatever. Bounty Gate, that shit is. He's literally telling people to tear ACLs and give people concussions. It's the last thing you need in this sport, which is already violent enough. Yeah, it's worse than the actual bounty though, in my opinion. The bounties were $1,000. The guys that are making a million. It's like doing one of the things that are

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Redskins? No, they're technically not. Well, do you see that statement he released? He said Redskins like 15 times in it. Oh, yeah. Who? Snyder? Yeah. We realize that he changed the name from Redskins to something else. The Redskins team is so proud of the Redskins history and the Redskins are definitely going to make their best decision for the Redskins. I live in D.C. Everybody hates the Redskins. I know.

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And the other is the Washington Cucks. Because all politicians are Cucks. All right. I think you have to play the politician, Angler. I think shipping to England, call them the London Redcoats. The Redcoats. I love it. I love it. I love it. That's brilliant. Get the fuck out of here. Washington doesn't deserve a team. Snyder doesn't deserve a team. That's what I mean. The area kind of does. Of course it does.

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Yeah, well, they have one. They got good fans. Well, we had the DC Defenders for like eight weeks. Yeah. We are crushing the XFL up here. The Capitals get great crowds like the Nats do. Whenever there's like a good team that's like worth rooting for. You know who nobody gives a fuck about? The Wizards. Oh, you mean the Bullets? It's insane. They should go back to the Bullets. If the Wizards ever, which they don't, but if they ever got

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to the NBA finals. I have so many fucking people to call out. Even the Caps are a little bit that way, but there's some definitely like Caps fans. I didn't know you were a Caps fan. Wow, that jersey looks really new. And the Wizards is going to be way worse. Even like a billion. I've met one Wizards fan. I've been down here for 15 years. I've met one guy who's like, I'm a Wizards fan. And you gotta respect it.

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We were in Bermuda on a cruise and we found some bar in Bermuda to watch Game 7 Celtics Wizards because we were both about it. He's like, what? And I was like, dude, I hate Kelly Olenek too. I don't know what to tell you. So next up on the Celtics Dynasty podcast. Oh, you butt hurt, Andy? Because we're talking about something other than the Patriots?

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On the Patriots Podcast? I'm just going to cut all this anyway. Damn it. He does have that power. Yeah. Talk away. Yo, get me one, Steve. I'm going to get a beer, too. I'll be right back. All right. I was going to make you talk about Antoine Smith while Steve was gone. Well, I don't know much about him. I'm back, baby. Oh, good. You missed our talk about Antoine Smith. Oh, no. I love Antoine. He balled out in this game.

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But what else did he have? He had five catches for 31 yards and two touchdowns. Did he have five catches all last year? So they actually let me see if I can find it. There was a note about it. Oh, yeah. So in the first 80 games of his career, he had one touchdown catch. And in this game alone, he had two. Yeah.

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He had a couple touchdowns, which he made a little wiggle into, but it was fourth down and one, and the screen passed it to Antoine Smith. I believe it was fourth and three. Yeah. Crazy. From the Buffalo 35, but they didn't want to kick a field goal. I was like, fuck it. Yeah. But I also like, so yeah, so all Brady's touchdowns were to running backs. He had the screen to Antoine on the end.

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is gone. Well, I don't know if you saw the replay that CBS did, but they actually talked about it where the linebacker, I think they said it was London Fletcher, was supposed to be covering him. So he was on the same side. And when he came over to cover Kevin Falk, won the offensive line and just ran out there and just like, talked his ass over. And so Falk was wide open. And then, like, I don't know what the receivers blocked too. Yeah, I saw that though. I want to say it was Troy Brown. Of course it's Troy Brown.

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one defender into the other and knock them both over. Yeah. And Kevin Paul just walked in. It was beautiful. It was sweet. Yeah. You'll be able to find that replay on Patriots Dynasty. You know what I bet you don't have on Patriots Dynasty is my play of the game. Greg, you got to play the game. You can go first since you didn't watch it. Yeah. Ty Law's interception. Yeah. Yeah. I knew that was coming. Obviously. Which do you want to talk about that? Did you see the end of it? I don't know if they showed it.

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He's just like fired up. I've never seen. Well, according to Mike, he sells his soul at some point and then there goes the fire. Yeah, it's going to be pretty soon, I think. Andy, you have your play of the game? Let me see. I do. It was, I have a few, but we'll go with this one. It was a pass to Troy Brown. Brady was on the run and he, Brown wasn't even open.

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Yeah, and converted that. And no one thought to cover him on like third and like 15. Yeah, and he converted. Brady had some pretty good stats. 22 of 26 with 265. Essentially four touchdowns. Yeah. All of those touchdowns are just literally screen passes. He set a single game completion percentage record in this game. That makes sense. He broke his own record of last season of 80%.

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85. 1% completion. Dude, Bledsoe's stats are so Bledsoe, too. 28 of 45 for 302 yards. One touchdown, one pick, four sacks. That's the most Bledsoe stat line ever. That's so Bledsoe. Well, if you want to get so Bledsoe, on the first drive of the game, the Bills drive straight down the field. The Patriots couldn't stop a kick return, so they got the kick return to their own 38, so made their own 40.

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He didn't make a single kick. Yeah, he's three of five for 50 plus on the year. Wow. So, I mean, he was a decent kicker. I think he just had a tough day. So, shout out Mike Hollis, dude. We stand with you. All right. Unfairly judged. We're going to stop unfairly judging people on this because every time we do a deep dive on, we have to change our tune. Did you see that guy in the stands where the cheese head had?

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One purchase a chicken wing hat. Exactly. Reddit.com. And it's nice to know. We're doing a live purchase, guys. It's good to know he's been around at least since 2002. 18 years old concept. It's not on Amazon anymore. I feel like Bill's Mafia should really embrace the buffalo wing hat. The cheese hat. It would just make

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I mean, it's worth the bets. It's pricey. Pretty steep, but it's awesome. How much are a pair of Zubaz? Wait, what does it smell like? That was what I want to know. Fucking buffalo wings. Oh, for the true wing lovers out there who aren't afraid to show their pride, I ain't scared. I'll make myself look like a fucking jackass to show how much I love chicken wings, goddammit. Prove it. Prove it.

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Bill's Mafia to really embrace the wing hat. I agree. I'm a little surprised I haven't already. I am shocked as well. And I haven't seen any wagons either, which is a little disappointing because nobody circles a wagon. I feel like, yeah, that was a Chris Berman thing, but like a Buffalo wing thing, everybody can get behind that. That's true. So Steve, what was your play of the game? Oh, because I watched every game all the way to

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Because the Patriots running down the clock after Bloods gets picked off the first time. Well, the only time, but the first time in the series against the Patriots, I guess. So the Pats just run down the clock and Bages is like running Antoine up the middle. They get fourth and goal from the three and, you know, do the classy thing and just run up the middle again. And they get stopped at the one. So Buffalo starts at their own one-yard line in literal garbage time. Less than two minutes. They're down 31.

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points. And Greg Double G Williams decides, you know what? We're going out slinging. I'm sure there's a bunch of bounties on the line. Bloodsoe's got to get his touchdown pass in here. Get himself another grand so he can buy some chicken wings. And so they come out slinging it and the Patriots are like, whatever. So they drive all the way down to the Patriots' five-yard line, right? It reminded me very much of that 31-9

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for the Patriots. Kind of. It reminded me of the Steelers game earlier this season, where the Steelers are trying to score that last touchdown for whatever fucking reason and running trick plays and all that sort of shit. Like, dying to score that last touchdown. It kind of felt like that. So here's an accounting of the last play. The Patriots had zero blitz on the three plays before it because they knew they were playing true blood cells.

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It was Tabucky Jones. Our friend Tabucky Jones grabbed the guy by the shoulder pad. They were just clotheslined his ass. And then called for the penalty because nobody expected that anybody could do that to a man. So I saw an advertisement for PlayStation 2 in this game. Really? Yeah. I didn't see that. And I had the thought is who's older Tom Brady or PlayStation? Well Tom Brady.

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He was 20 at this point. Not true. What? So PlayStation 2 is older than Tom Brady. Older football career-wise or older? Right. Oh, yeah. It's close. It's very close. So PlayStation 2 debuted March 4th. Brady was drafted April 16th. In 2000. Yeah. Yeah. So like a month and a half between PlayStation 2 getting released

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and Tom Brady getting drafted. And Tom Brady's still playing. And PlayStation 5 is about to come out. That's true. And mom and dad bought us the Sega Saturn. We had Dreamcast too. Dreamcast is awesome. It's crazy to think about. Tom Brady started when PlayStation 2 started. Yeah. I wonder what the first... Yeah, he must have been in Madden 2000.

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The regular season of NFL is scheduled to start September 10. Did you hear this answer? Did you hear this answer? She's so fucking dumb. How do you get like when is the season starting over? Who's the first? I give up, dude. Is the season even starting? We should probably walk on that too anyway. God damn it. Dude. Makes me so mad. Hey, but update. I bought the hat. Nice. All right. We're in business. Which hat? Your chicken wing hat?

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Every Bills fan I've met is just so hardcore. Buffalo wings rock too. They are. For our listeners, if you're ever thinking about going to Buffalo for an away game, just do it. It's not glamorous, but it is an experience. The commentator is talking about in this game broadcast. This is the best place to go watch a game. You can go to Niagara. You can go to the casino.

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We'll get buffalo wings and you can go to a football game. That's enough to fill up a long weekend. Yeah. Just with those things alone. Rent an RV, right? Yeah. You don't need a nightclub. You don't need like more than six people at a bar. Like you just want. They're legitimately the first time I went there. I was driving through the city of Buffalo on a Saturday night. It was a night before the game. We're looking for a bar. We couldn't find one anywhere.

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And a fucking deer ran across the highway. A deer ran across the highway. It was like those Wile E. Coyote fucking... Don't laugh too. That happens in your hamster too, bud. Yeah, but it was completely safe because there was no one on the fucking highway on a Saturday night in Buffalo. It was in the middle of the city. It is a special breed up there. They're super fun.

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I agree. I mean, if you're going to go, honestly, if I had one away Patriots game to go to Buffalo. Yeah, I agree. New Orleans is pretty good too. All right. But like, just like the atmosphere in the parking lot with New Orleans versus Buffalo, it's just not the same. Like the pregame buildup. Honestly, Pittsburgh's up there too. Yeah, I could see Pittsburgh being similar. All right, boys, let's do our best and worst here. Okay. Greg,

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Let's talk about Colin Kaepernick. Damn it. Not again. All right. So you're going to be best and worst. I haven't done my worst, Sandy. All right. Give us your worst. Okay. Deshaun Jackson's comments on Jewish people. Just kidding. Cut that. Nope. All right. You guys go. You're my worst.

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I'll go. I think I have a commentation best. It was Phil Simms. Have we confirmed that's a word? Yeah. Wait, let me get a quick Google check on that. No, I looked it up the day that we all showed. Yeah, we've already been down the straw broad. But Phil Simms, the quote was,

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Falk, longest rushing touchdown of his career was a swing pass. It just feels so right. Yeah, that's pretty cool. He's coming into his own, I feel like, this year. Yes. It turns into that pass catching back. This is his fourth year in the league, which is crazy to think about. And he was pretty highly regarded coming out of school, so I think he went through that, like, is he a bust phase? Right. And then he really pulled it together. Because I think in

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And now James White is like the best player on our offense. Oh, yeah. He created the James White position in our offense the same way Troy Brown created Wes Walker and Edelman's position. Yeah, Kay Falk was the original, the OG. Kevin Falk, his stats at LSU were pretty ridiculous. They were. I think he's a good record, didn't he? Yeah, he was second most career rush

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in SEC history behind only Herschel Walker. What? Yeah. All purpose yards. He was tied for fifth in NCAA history and first in SEC history when he went to the NFL. He was at LSU, right? Yeah. And that's where he's coaching now. I think he's a running backs coach. What round was he drafted in? Second round. Yeah. So he was like highly regarded coming up.

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Yeah. They ended up squibbing it. Special teams. They ended up squibbing it out of bounds and actually like giving the Bills worse field position than if they had kicked off. Yeah. Special in a bad way, right? They were routinely starting at their own 40. That was bad. Not great. And was Charlie Rogers was their return? It was really good at that point. They're paying him a lot of respect. I never heard this thing. Well, he had a couple returns where he

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almost broke it and Belichick saw that and was like fuck this. I ain't gonna let them get back into it with a big kick. Exactly. One play. But then out of the tears I was kicking out of bounds. Yeah great. All right I have my best and worst. All right let's hear it. The worst and I don't know this for sure but I'm pretty sure that this might have ended Victor Green's career. You think? Stat check. He did get hurt. Did he play after this Greg?

2002 Week 9: Patriots at Bills

He's blocking some dude, sees a free blitzer comic, and then sticks his right legs out and trips him. It's a legit tripping call that they didn't call you. It looked like he kicked him in the nards, I thought. No, he got him right in the knee. He went shin to knee on Victor Green, and he was out. Victor Green was down for a bet. And then my best left is Daniel Graham. Oh, yeah, that was going to be mine. He had a couple catches early on,

2002 Week 9: Patriots at Bills

Hernandez Gronk plan. This is Graham's first round draft pick. Yeah, I think they wanted him to be the Ben Coates replacement. Who would you take, Watson or Graham? That's a good question. They're almost the same debate. Yeah, me too. I think Watson just barely. I feel like I can remember more like big play, like clutch touchdowns from him. Like that game where they beat the Bills on Brady's first game back in 08. Yeah.

2002 Week 9: Patriots at Bills

Two touchdowns in the court. Yeah, and both of those were to Graham. To Watson. Watson, really, yeah. And Watson ran down Champ Bailey, too. Yeah, that play was sick. Yeah, it was sick. Let's take a look here. So, Watson, 6,000 career yards, 44 touchdowns. We're talking career or Patriots career? Career. Watson's had a better career, but who is better for the Pats?

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No, Watson's 04. Wow. Stat check, Steve. Either way, I mean, you're talking 2002-2004. First round picks in three years. Yeah. Three drafts. Well, that says what they say about what they think about Daniel Graham, too. Or the tight end position in general. True, yeah, because eventually they figured it out with Hernandez. And now they did it again this year, right? Level dipped again, yeah. Yeah, remember your...

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This past year, they didn't throw it to the tight ends at all. I've been thinking a lot about another hot take, which might be my hottest take. I'm so ready for this. Are you ready to launch it? I think I've actually mentioned it on this podcast before, but I feel even stronger about it now that I've read about it. Pete Carroll throwing on second down was the right decision.

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more lava. Molten hot. Yeah. All right. Greg, put it down on record right here, right now. Who's going to be a better tight end? The Patriots just drafted. Conkeen or Devin Asiassi? You see, I'm not, I differ, Steve, from maybe you or you and your friends and associates in that I don't make, I don't just pull takes out of my ass. You do? I don't. I have watched

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What? I haven't watched these guys play. Talk to me after the second preseason game. Bro, bro. What do you think this whole goddamn podcast is about? Just firing shit out. Absolutely unbiased opinions. I already made it wrong like five times tonight. No, you and your associates. Me? I said Pat Mahomes and Drew Bledsoe. I make day-to-day decisions. Me?

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And stats over storylines. We are all data guys. You? You're just a fucking child. You just held up a thing of nicknames. A sheet full of Chris Berman nicknames. You're literally writing your data down by pen and pamper. I'm all about the data. And by data, I mean Chris Berman nicknames. I mean, Hardy Har Har Nickerson. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty sick. God damn it.

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I'm doing that from here on out. I'll narrow it down to maybe my best three, but I'm going to scout away teams for nicknames. I'm a big fan of funny names. You're the funny name Hall of Fame guy. Oh, yeah. I think that's reasonable. We should have a Mount Rushmore of funny names if we're going to do this. And Hardy Har Har Nickerson, my number one vote.

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Just because he played on the goddamn Bucs. Natron refried means. But Andy said they have two names for him. Hardy Har Har and Nick Henson is the only one I'm willing to enshrine right now. Hardy Har Har. It plays so hard. And it's the Buccaneers. He played on the Bucs. That makes it a billion times better. Yeah. All right, boys. What's next week? The Patriots.

2002 Week 9: Patriots at Bills

Oh, I got newspaper clippings from this. Wait, we win? Wait, you think we're going to lose again? Well, it could be a win or a loss, Steve. You don't know. That's fine. I'm over, like, not knowing the score. You are? Why? Well, I'm not going to, like, actively seek out the score, but if I see it, I'm not going to be upset. I want to know when this. This is just a good game. Is it at the Bears or at home? It is at Memorial Stadium.

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Champaign, Illinois. It's Champaign, Illinois. It's not Champlain. That's what I thought. Isn't it Lake Champlain? Or am I? Champaign, Illinois. I don't know, actually. It might be Champlain. I'm pretty sure it's Champlain. Look, yeah, and you've been right so far on this podcast. Yeah, you're like 0 for 7 today, Steve. It's 0 for 8 because I'm looking. I have a lot of golf courses in Chicago, so I should know, guys. Champaign, Illinois. There's no L in here. No, we're looking

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for an L. Champlain. We'll figure it out. Did you ever get in touch with that guy who wanted to be on this podcast for this episode, Andy? Lake Champlain? That's in New York. Okay. That's what we're thinking of. Vermont, New York border, and Canada. I don't remember this game at all, so I'm excited to watch it again. I've seen the highlights of this game, and it's very exciting.

2002 Week 9: Patriots at Bills

What I said though? That I know gay guys? No, I said you know twink friends. No, I said no bear fans. I said I probably know a couple from work. I know gay people from work too. Oh, do you? I can't work. I got some of my best friends are gay. Yeah, I've convinced another person on Twitter to come on. That's hilarious though. I actually

2002 Week 9: Patriots at Bills

I got the ending in way earlier. Oh, that's exactly what I'm going to do. I'm going to cut all this shit. Dude, but what about the ecology of the fucking lake, Andy? Cutting all. Dude, it's actually pretty big. Like the war of 1812, the Revolutionary War, the siege of Quebec. Ever heard of it? Should I try and get my Chicago friend on it for next week? Yeah. I'll try to reach out to this other person.

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What are you doing? I had my foot on the underside of my chair and I accidentally pressed the button that lowers it and like, fuck. It's like jammed my foot. Holy shit. God damn it. All right, boys. That's all we have for this week. Thanks for tuning in again and we will see you next week. See you later.

2002 Week 9: Patriots at Bills