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Offseason: 4th and Loud Series Review

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While interviewing Matt Chatham we discovered that one of his former coaches Walt "Hous" Housman was one of the main characters in a reality TV show about a KISS-branded arena football team. No seriously. It's called 4th and Loud, and is available on Amazon Prime Video for you to watch if you don't believe us.


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This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny. But really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother.

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I suppose specifically Coach House. I didn't even write down his full name. H-O-U-S. But when we talked to Matt Shatham in the 2001 Super Bowl episode. This is the guy that was yelling at him at training camp right on the sidelines? Yeah. I could definitely see that. Yeah. But he was his

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He was his coach in college. And he's from New Hampshire. Merrimack. Merrimack, New Hampshire. That's right. Represent. And so, and apparently he was on this TV show called Los Angeles Kiss. Actually, no, the TV show was called Fourth and Loud. And it was about Los Angeles Kiss. The arena football league. For those who don't know, I mean, I don't know if there's many of those out there.

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They don't even really strike me as a documentary network. There's a lot of bleeping out of Coach House, too. A lot of bleeping out of a lot of coaches. Pretty much every coach. There was three main ones on here. It was Coach Bob. Was it Dad Bob? Is that what they called him? He had a Dad Bod. No, but one of the guys who would play for my friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Daddy Bob.

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So Bob McMillan was the head coach. He reminded me of somebody, but I couldn't put it together who it was. He looks like my friend, Colt. And I texted my friend and sold him that. And I ended up offending him. I mean, the guy, he's not a small man. He's not huge, but he's not slender. Oh, it's their goatee. They had like the same looking little goatee there. Oh, yeah. So, but his assistant head coach was Coach House.

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Walt Hausman, who we just mentioned. And they have their player personnel guy, the Ernie Adams of the AFL, I have written down, name is Scott Bailey. He's just always packing the fattest lip. He was. Just full moons. Just constantly, yeah. So, and then it just follows. So, a little bit of backstory. I think the three

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I watched them all so I clearly got something out of it so I I think uh can you describe the uniforms to our listeners because I I'm not sure us I don't know if we can portray it well enough people we might have I got it I got a good apt comparison you take like a four or five year old who loves monster trucks and you say does I have me some NFL uniforms and he goes all right so and the best part about that is I agree with you completely but this was

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Yeah, the flame visor is pretty sweet. I got it. That was. Okay, I can admit that was legit. But if they didn't, it just looked like their face masks were multicolored. It would have been awesome if they'd had like matte black helmets, you know? Like some matte in there would have been. They're just like chrome and everything as well. Oh, yeah. Flames and chrome. This is almost too much. Almost too much? Dude, this is.

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Oh, you're actually fucking you want to do it now? Well, let's set them up. So there's those two guys running the team. And then there's Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons from Kiss. They're like the Brett and Skyler are what they were calling co-owners. I'm not quite sure what the partnership was. They didn't really explain the partnership between them and Kiss. Right. Brett definitely put up money. You could tell that he had a fair amount of money involved in this. Right. So it sounded like Kiss was like,

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You didn't think Bob was a douchebag? No, I didn't mind Bob. No, I fucking loved him. Really? The head coach? He took all the blame, too. He took 100% of the blame, regardless of whose fault it was. And they had, what, an eight-game losing streak or something ridiculous? Yeah, it got bad at the end.

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or anybody else in the league just for entertainment purposes. So they're like, everyone's like, we're doing this. The coaches are going into the air promising, we're going to win the championship, the Arena Bowl. And not to give a spoiler, I can't imagine anybody's actually going to watch this whole thing. But basically, they start out decently well and then just

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Dive Bomb for like eight episodes of this season. And just watching these people self-destruct in front of your eyes was so entertaining. They were getting doubled up too in arena football, like 80 to 40. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The scores were outrageous, like 63 to 12 in some of these things. It was ridiculous. Which I think like, okay, we've been to a couple of arena football games.

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And it's usually pretty high-scoring. To see both scores in the 50s is not uncommon. But to see a team scoring 12 points is, I think, less common. Might as well be a shutout. Right, yeah. But... But, like, what the fuck were they expecting? They're trying to, like, start a new arena football team. There's not enough talent for, like, three arena football teams. Yeah, so that was the interesting part. It's like,

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The finding people to actually play on these teams is like way harder than I thought it would be. They did two open tryouts. One of them during the middle of the season. Just to the public. Yeah. Just fucking show up and if you can play well. How much did how much these guys getting paid? Oh, they said it. It was like a. Isn't it like a max salary or something like that? Like 800 bucks a week or something.

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How much would you pay right now to go watch an arena football game? I would go to one game. I would go to one game. I would be like, yeah, saw what I needed to see. But that was Division II. What if arena football had the talent level of the NFL, though? Then I think it would be awesome. Well, I'll tell that to Kurt Warner. There you go.

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True. But it's like it's so fast. Yeah, it was kind of exciting. Might have just been the tricks of the camera, but they made it look kind of cool. It's a hockey size because they play them in hockey stadiums. You could tell. You just take football and you kind of condense it down in there and just speed everything up. Yeah, it's 50 yards and it's like half as wide. So it's real narrow, real short.

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And the field goals are nine feet apart instead of the full width. I think they should have left up the hockey boards, though. You know? It's so many people getting hurt. Well, instead, they're just flipping over them into the fans. This is better, though. That's so much better. That's how you get season tickets. So I looked it up. Actually, LA Kiss did sell.

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the most season tickets in the AFL that year. That makes sense. They were the only average 10,000 fans in attendance for all their home games despite going so terrible. I bet they still lost money. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All the other teams they were playing were like from cities like just second rate cities. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. Portland. Yeah. Prescott, Arizona.

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Yeah. Which team were the Barnstormers? I don't even know. Iowa. Yeah. Probably like Sioux Falls. That's where Kurt played. That's right. Yeah. He played for the Barnstormers. Yeah. So you want to talk about the roster? Yes. I think players. I think we should probably start with the quarterback because that was the most interesting situation. Paul?

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100 touchdowns. That's ridiculous. Like 58 touchdowns in one season. Yeah. You know who the only person that has a better had more on average? Kurt Warner. Tim Rattay. That's what it obviously translates, doesn't it? And the most overall touchdowns? Case Keenum. Really? Gunslinger. All right. Most touchdowns in a season? Overall.

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Derek Carr, Sam Bradford, Brandon Doughty. 2014. Anthony Gordon. Oh, and Brandon Doughty again. And then Case Keenum. Yeah, that's not a who's who in the NFL. Cliff Kingsbury is on this list, though. Yeah, it's basically just that. Yeah, it's basically Texas Tech offense. That was the one, two.

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He couldn't play was because he suffered a car accident and had it was such a bad car accident that he had brain damage or the way he explained it was something like he had a scar on his brain isn't that right mm-hmm and it makes him do like impetuous and things like that so he basically like he was there ace in the hole and he couldn't pass his physical because

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I love JJ. Yeah. I figured you would. He's a arena football league veteran. I would say who, who's his NFL comp. Jeff Garcia. Okay. Nailed it. He is Jeff Garcia. I don't know if Jeff Garcia runs pass routes though. That's true. That's true. But he's like a crafty look.

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and probably undersized white guy that can kind of run a little bit. Veteran. I would say Brian Hoyer. No, we're going to stick with Jeff Garcia. I think Jeff Garcia has too much talent, though. Brian Hoyer has too much talent. You clearly haven't seen enough of J.J. Rannerink. Oh, I think I have, though.

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So I missed the episode why they got rid of him though. And he wins them two games. He couldn't stop throwing intersections. Four. Well, they couldn't protect him. Yeah, they couldn't protect him. And he, even when they did, he couldn't make the right decisions. The problem with these guys is that they were, they came in with unreasonable expectations. Very much so.

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And then they weren't immediately winning. And everybody panicked. Except for the two fucking dudes from Kiss who knew nothing about football. Everybody else is losing their shit. All these arena football veterans are all like, what do we fucking do? The reason I didn't like the coach is because every game you just come in screaming his tits off at the players. Even the games they were winning, he was screaming. I was like, dude,

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I don't even know who it's with I don't know if he just like interviewed himself but it's just like your typical awful bullshit so here is him talking about on the importance of company culture we're focused on creating an incredible culture I know everybody says that but then actually executing on that vision is different if you came to our office you would understand we have a 34,000 square foot square

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in Temecula, California. We have a big 6,000 square foot room that we call the fun room, which has an arcade of 60 different actual old retro video games. We have a ping pong table, we have foosball, we have shuffleboard. Looks like Dave and Buster's without the bar. The reality of today's economy is that when you take out the sleep that you're doing at home, a lot of people and your senior people are at work more than their home now. It's really important for me, for our employees to have a great life work balance, but when they're there,

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I just want to make it clear. I want to have full control of football. Brett's like, yep, yep, get it. Three weeks into the year, he's already like trying to trade the fucking quarterback. I was like, dude, what happened to letting him have control of the team? That's probably a good spring where they bring in that. Again, I missed how they got the even older quarterback. Well, that's what happened. It was this guy went and literally called the guy up at halftime being like, hey, we need you to come out of retirement. Would you do that? He was in retirement. Okay. Yeah.

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Yeah, well, he came into the league the same year that the coach Bob did. Oh. Their rookie years the same year. And he's like a legend of the game. Yeah, yeah. He's set like a whole bunch of passing records and has like a whole bunch of championships. And he calls his own plays. He doesn't need like an offensive coordinator because he is the offensive coordinator. He just calls them on the fields. Yeah, yeah.

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To the backup quarterback. He's like, all right, I like pick six. He immediately throws interception. Yeah. Shocking, that, isn't it? It was just the worst run organization I've ever seen. But I think, like, from the beginning when they had the first meeting with the coaches and Brett,

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They call him Brett Bushy, but his last name is spelled B-O-U-C-H-Y. So the fact it doesn't rhyme with douchey, just tweet. So we're going to call him Brett Bushy from now on. But in his first meeting with the coaches, he floated the idea of making the players wear kiss makeup during the game. Yes. What's funny is I said that like five minutes before he did. I was like, wouldn't it be ridiculous if they made him wear the

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guy and so we said yeah fuck it that's fine oh jesus yeah i kind of respect it yeah i feel that they were they were like rkk-esque you know involved not overly involved cared about the brand and the way it's being stewarded but let them do their jobs yeah they didn't they were like they were completely honest about not know much about football and they didn't try and meddle in the football things they'd even ask like do you think we need to address a quarterback you know

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They contributed where they could, like with all the promoting and averaging the Kiss brand and all that. Yeah, I love them. It felt to me like they were just in it to promote Kiss and not like a football team. Well, yeah. I mean, yeah. It's like this whole thing is just like over the topness and like that's there. They're not actually good musicians. Whoa. We're just taking shots left to right here. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I hope no Kiss fans listen to this.

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successful band, regardless of if you like the music or not. They've sold a fuckload of albums, like 75 million albums. They have the most gold records of anybody ever, I guess. Because they just were pumping out studio albums. They have like 30 plus studio albums. And then the other aspect is that people say they have like the most

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Yeah, we put on a great live show. Yeah, we market well. And to be fair, like that was kind of the feeling I got is that they were way more savvy businessmen than I anticipated. And it would make sense for how they brand their band. Yeah. I don't really think about this until this I watched this where they're like, yeah, and like, we've sent people home from the band, we like kicked them out of the band. And when you have that face paint, it doesn't like it's the paint, not the people. So you can kick

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Oh my god. It's genius. It isn't, but okay. That's a lark. Another thing is the kiss casket. Yep. So caskets, yeah, casket spelled with a K. So exactly what you think. It's what people get buried in. And like, I was just like scrolling Google images and I was like, oh my god, a casket. And I was like, I wonder if this is something you can actually buy.

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Yes, Pantera. The biggest band in metal, really. Yeah. Like super talented guitars. Yeah. They were like the heavier version of Metallica. If you wanted something more metal than Metallica, you'd go Pantera, usually. And I never really listened to Pantera, but because I went down this rabbit hole, I started checking them out, and they are so kick-ass. Oh, yeah. You're right. It's like true headbanger music.

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And then a police officer shows up and kills him with a 12-gauge shotgun to the head. What? Just so fucking metal, man. Yeah. So he literally died. And apparently the guy shot him because he didn't like the fact that Dimebag had left Pantera and was now with his new band damaged. Yep. Yep.

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And so that's why he shot him. But that's how he died was playing metal on a stage at some nightclub in Ohio. It doesn't get any more metal than that. Yeah. The police officer James Nicky Meyer. Get careful with that one. No, Nicky. It's okay. You can watch your mouth, Andy. How dare you? N-I-G-G-E.

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Way more ridiculous. I guess it's kind of like the circle of life. With the kiss condoms. Oh, yeah. I read about him. I didn't see him, though. Also, condoms with a K. Yep. And it's like Gene Simmons' face on it, but his tongue is like half the condom. Oh, man. How about this? Oh, I got an idea. If they haven't branded it. The kiss carpet with a K. And just like carpet with a K.

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A huge, like your whole house carpeting with just like pictures of Gene Simmons' tongue sticking out. Oh my gosh. Can you imagine? Now we're getting somewhere. I don't know that we are. Ooh, ooh, the KISS catheter. Now we're working with something. We're back into my industry here. Yeah, I was going to say, I knew working in that industry would pay off on this podcast.

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Well, I mean, you'd have a tough time getting it through the FDA, but the marketing would be easy. I would agree, yeah. Well, what part of the catheter would be painted as the tongue, I wonder? Oh, obviously the catheter body, and then you have the extension lines be some like his eyes or face, you know, so it looks like he's sticking his tongue into wherever you're inserting that catheter.

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Yeah. Yeah. And then they were like, dude, no one wants to play arena football. My brother like played in, you know, when he was 13. Should he try out? Like, no, we play, play together in high school because his mom wanted to play together again. Yeah. And she didn't care. Like she was less enthused than I thought she would be. Exactly. They were like, they were trying to play that storyline because it's AMC and they're like,

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The two brothers, will they end up on the team together? Yeah. And like their mom will be so proud and she just clearly didn't give a shit. Yeah. She's like, oh, that's great. I'm glad you're having fun. Do you think like the producers had any say in it as well? Like you have to keep both so we have a storyline? For sure. Which makes the coach's job even harder. Now like you have these two fucks with no idea what the hell they're doing as your bosses. You have this AMC.

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they'll do it a lot where they have like someone will say something and then they'll like pull a reaction from a different angle that you can tell isn't actually a reaction to what the person was saying yeah and then just slot it in there and like

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put like ooh silence and cricket noises in the right in the audio so it makes it look like they like didn't react well to it but it's bullshit right oh there's even a reality show about the producers of reality shows now wait good i'd be interested in that yeah i don't think it's reality it's like a fake show about the producers of a fake reality show even better where it's like where they're like manipulating all the people to try and generate storylines yeah

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my play announcer would ever say. Yeah, and the audio just didn't make sense. You hear audio from a game, and you can tell it's live. But this guy's clearly just reading over the highlights. Yeah, it's 100% recorded after the fact. And where was his commentator or his color guy? Yep. It was just one, which made it awkward. And he was clearly just advancing the script. Honestly, I would imagine that AFL games probably only had one guy doing the radio,

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I felt bad for them. And that's the thing. Some of these shows, if they had real moments like that, it'd be authentic and compelling television. But for some reason, they feel the need to manufacture it. That's the word, yeah. Yeah, it wasn't great. But also not great was I'm looking up J.J. Ratterink's stats on the season in 2014.

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when he played for Los Angeles. Spoiler, he only played for them for one year. So the two years before in 2012, he threw four 93 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Pretty good. That's what I'm saying. This year, he threw 38 touchdowns. Pretty good. 19 interceptions. What about the other team he played for when they traded him? 22 touchdowns, one interception. Boom. What's the problem here?

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Not very offensive line. Coaching. Offensive line turnover. It's fucking Scott's fault. Dude, he went to go play arena football in China. Whoa. The China Arena Football League. Imagine how wild that is. He was drafted in the 12th round by them in the 16 draft.

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And he went 82-1, 44, 1,100 yards, 20 touchdowns, 7 interceptions. That's pretty good. That's not bad. Coach Bob, his record. Let's see the other side of this. He was with Chicago for three years before coming to L.A. and he finished 33-21 for a 6-11 win percentage.

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1-2 in the playoffs. Lost in the conference championship and the conference semifinals. It's not that good. 13-5 and then 10-8 two seasons in a row. Pretty good, but not great. Can we talk about Skyler? Because I don't think we've hated on him enough yet. No, definitely not. All right, yes. You mean Schweiler?

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The fact that your name is Skyler isn't bad enough. How do you spell it again? S-C-H-U-Y-L-E-R. You can't get Skyler out of that. I'm sorry. S-C-H is like how you spell school. So it's Schuyler, not Skyler. Why, you call it Schuel? Yeah. What do you call it?

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Where he was like kissing ass and deferring to anyone like above him like a yes man and then the people below him he'd be like a tough guy like those are the worst people. All right. Do you want to hear his Instagram bio? Yep. Oh, do I? Tech exec investor traveler tequila. Live the way you imagined or better. What a fucking asshole.

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Oh my God. And the thing about this guy, right, is he's like, if, if he's like a kind of like a classically good looking person, right? He's Swedish. He's got like a jawline, long flowing blonde hair, you know, dress is really nice, but he's so ugly on the inside. You know, did you get that feeling where you just look at him and you're like, God, that guy's hideous. It's just a shell of a man.

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Yeah, there's just nothing inside. And like every mannerism like made you cringe. Yeah. And every single time he would have the exact same outfit on, but every single piece was a different one. You know what I mean? So it was like, it was the pop collar with the vest on for some reason. Yeah. But it was always a different colored shirt and a different colored vest. So like that's what his closet is, is that. And probably like dark designer jeans.

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Yeah, this guy just screams LA, you know? Oh my god, yeah. Oh, yeah. He, uh, my question is, I just want to know what his dad did to be rich so that he could be this kind of guy. Well, until January, he was the president of music. All music? At Dynasty Sports and Entertainment. Oh, okay. That one is linked in. Did you guys see the episode?

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And then the other two had to take the elevator down to the field. I had to walk all the way back down. There was a moment in there that made me love JJ. He goes to the other guys. Well, you know, maybe next game. That was a laugh out loud moment. Yeah.

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They had the fucking head coach out on the field helping them set up equipment before the season opener just because they were so short on time. They had to push the doors because they weren't ready for the season opener. They weren't ready for. I looked up the LA Kisses total. They did three seasons.

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And they actually made the playoffs in the third season. And they had to have their playoff game in San Diego because the Honda Center was sold to the Ringling Brothers when they're supposed to have their game. And then they tried to do it the next day and it was sold to WWE. So like the only like carnival in town got booted by another two carnivals.

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They should do a Ringling Brothers arena football team. We should put together an arena football team. No, no, we shouldn't. It just folded. Clearly, it doesn't work. Steve, I just think they haven't done it right. I don't know. Why would anyone think this was a good idea? I think it probably was a decent idea. I think if you did it like a

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They dropped a shit ton of money on guys coming out of college. And it was a beautiful league. The best. It was the best, most competitive league you've ever seen. Everybody's saying it. People are saying it. But yeah, and like they, because they actually got Steve Young, I think, to play in it. Doug Flutey. Yeah, and Doug Flutey and like some other big name talent. Jim Kelly.

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Yes, yeah, that's who, yeah, because the big games were all Jim Kelly and CEO. And so it was actually like starting to gain some momentum. And then I think Trump bought a team and then used his influence to, because what they would do is they were like a spring league, so they would play opposite when the NFL was on. So they never competed directly with the NFL that way, except for players. And so, but then Trump bought a team and used his influence to,

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to force the rest of the league to go along with him where they tried to play at the same time as the NFL and they just got fucking wiped out. But up until then, it was actually like gaining ground and it was becoming like an actual league. I'm bummed the XFL restart didn't get going or kind of had to get folded, right? With all the COVID stuff going on? Yeah. Those DC games are electric.

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It's a novelty, dude. I heard they're pretty fun. And they had that beer snake going on, which also looked awesome. But that only gets you so far, you know? I mean, they're playing in like the soccer stadium, the new soccer stadium there. So it was like a better, you know, stadium for the product. Yeah, that makes sense. But like, think about it though, right? You still have all the same issues as the NFL, right? You still have the brain damage thing.

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I would not. Well, that's because you're a gamer. I'd rather watch Success. I'm with Andy. I think that may be the only one that I can come up with where I'd rather watch the women's version. But it doesn't appeal to you at all about like, to me that seems like you're just like riding a coattail of like bandwagon fan, you know? Success is success.

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Why do we play international rules basketball? We invented the fucking game. Same with hockey. Well, hockey, maybe I can understand since starting Canada, but still. Why the hell are we playing international rules? To give other people a chance. No, fuck that. Oh, we still dunk on their asses. I'm just saying, right? So just because you're the best in the league doesn't mean that I want to watch like women's soccer.

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I think XFL is as close to the NFL as women's soccer is to men's soccer. Using your analogy. I think it's close enough to that symbol. But then the argument is like, okay, so say there's a Patriots that suck and there's like the best team in the XFL. You're going to go to an XFL game over a Pats game? If it's my team, yeah. Why not? That's wild. Steve, thoughts? If there was a New Hampshire XFL team, you're goddamn right I'd go to that.

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They're the best of the best. Yeah, but you're giving Dan Snyder your money, too. Yeah. I don't give a shit about Dan Snyder. I don't want to perpetuate that douche. It was $8. Fair. Paid more in gas to get here. I think, actually, weren't XFL tickets more expensive at one point than Redskins tickets? Yes. Yeah, they were giving away Redskins tickets last year. It was ridiculous. Which is hysterical.

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I think there is space for another football team. College football, that level of talent isn't as good as the NFL, but people watch that, right? Arguably, it is, I think. It's just raw. It's more distributed? Distributed? Distributed. But they're all the players that end up in the NFL, right? So these guys clearly have talent. They're just raw talents.

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We'll see what happens with the college basketball now that they can go right to the G League and get paid. Oh, yeah. College basketball's done for. Don't say that. You don't say that. Speaking of talent, the best player on the LA kids. No, I think we need to talk about the star of this show. We haven't done it yet. Wait, let me guess.

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He's not the best player of the NFL resume on there. Who is? Bobel was drafted by the Browns fourth round, 104 overall. Wow. He was their first draft pick that year. They must have traded away all of their first, second, and third round picks. That doesn't sound like the Browns. Classic, classic Browns. It kind of sucks that he got a knee injury.

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Drafted in the fourth round and then just like a poorly timed injury. Pushed him to the fourth round. I said he might even been a first rounder. And they never like recovered in the first year and then see you later. But he played 2010 to 2017 in the Arena Bowl or in the Arena League. Sure did. For a lot of teams.

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So, Coach House actually played football. What did he play as? What does he say? Do we know? Oh, American football offensive tackle. Played one season with the Saints in the NFL back in 1987 and played in the AFL as well. Probably as an offensive lineman, I would think. But in this, he was the assistant coach and he was

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I think the most interesting person by a long shot in this whole series or kept wishing for more Coach House the fact that they didn't have more Coach House is criminal I think goddamn yeah like he should have his own show I think whatever the fuck he's doing now I don't know what he's doing now but whatever it is somebody should be fucking filming it that's true if you're looking to generate storylines that was the guy right yeah yep like the first time you saw

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him, he was introducing himself to the team or something and talking about how this was his first season of coaching that he hadn't been with his cat. Yeah, he's like, what's up, you bunch of slap dicks? First of all, this is the only year I haven't been with my cat. It's like, I'm from New Hampshire. Yeah, it's like, dude, this guy's electric. There is one where he like, he said like a replacement for a swear word and then went back and corrected himself.

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He's like a meaty version of the lead singer of one of those bands. Like a Hoobastank type of band. Why? Because of the goatee? That and just like the bleach blonde hair and just the... You know, you could have been in Hoobastank, Andy. I'm not blonde enough. Or musically talented enough. But thanks, Greg.

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You're welcome. Just gave me an excuse to say the word hooversting. But so how many quotes did you write down from Coach Hans? Because he was easily the most quotable guy. I didn't take any notes at all. Me either. That was one quote that really stuck out in my mind that I thought was so fucking funny. I'm curious if it's the same one that I came up with. It probably is. When he was freaking out.

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On the interception return for a touchdown? Well, he's in the locker room. What about playing cover zero? No, when he was like, you got to go out there and you got to fuck them up. He's like, just put your dicks in them. That maybe is go-to because I think it was the first game where like right at the end of the game, they returned interception that I think set up the winning field goal.

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Half of all, love ends in divorce. So get the fuck out there. See, he wasn't like freaking out every game. He was freaking out just enough. Yeah. You know, like losing his shit when he broke. They're like quotable too. So it was like, all right, that's just who houses, you know? Oh, when he smashed that whiteboard up, that was like AMCs. They must have used that in all their commercials and everything. Yeah. Bunch of fucking slap dicks.

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How many heart attacks have you had? He was like, none. I'm 50 years old. I'm hyper. Fuck yeah. Did you watch the last episode, Andy? I watched the first half of it. I didn't get to finish before we did this. Did you see his, like, bit? I did. So this is kind of how I wanted to end this whole episode. Yeah, because this is what makes him actually legit. Like, all the other shit was just, like, funny.

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Yeah. Handlebar Brett is on a war path. Him and Skyler call in each of the three coaches individually into his office. Yeah. Their goal is to fire Scott, the player personnel guy. Right. So first they bring in the head coach and they're like, your whole staff blows. You guys are terrible. We're just going to fire Scott.

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We're thinking about firing Scott. Yeah. Yeah. I'm leaning towards it. Which made no sense. Yeah. And Coach Bob's like, no. Yeah. He's like, I've been with these guys forever. Yeah. That's a terrible idea. I take all responsibility. It's my fault. Fire me. If you're going to fire anybody, fire me. Yeah. Oh, I don't want to fire Scott. Yeah. And then they brought in Scott and they're like, I'm thinking about firing you. And Scott is just like,

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He brought in Coach House by himself. And they were like, they started out and they're like, we've talked to people in the league and you're the best defensive coordinator in the arena football league. Yeah. We want to keep you on board. And he was like, oh, wow. You could tell he's like, I didn't see this conversation going this way. And then they were like, but we're going to fire Scott. And he was just like,

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Oh, it was amazing. Gave me goosebumps. Yeah. He's just a legend. Yeah. Like coach Bob and coach house. Those are the guys you want to have coaching you because they, they go just like immediately went to bat for, for their guys, you know, their players all the time as much as they could. Yep. And they did it for each other. Like they, they knew that it's one of them or all of them, you know? Well, even after like when they were sitting in the restaurant and Scott had like his,

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And even like the coach that they kept on, he's like, well, like I can't quit because then I can't get hired, rehired for another year and I won't get any severance.

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Instead, he divides the team, makes everyone angry, increases tension, and has half a fucking coaching staff. How is that your solution? You could even frame it differently. Dude, we can't afford a personnel guy. Yeah. To just point fingers and blame someone you know they're best friends with and then fire that guy and be like, all right, so you're good for next year, right? It's just ludicrous to think that would work.

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I don't know how these people get money. It's just baffling. You're just good at one thing and that's making money. And that's it. Yeah. How? I don't know. I'm pretty sure that dude lost a fuck ton of money in this venture. I hope so. I hope so. So do I. Yeah, there's not much on him on the internet. Just in general, like after the kiss era. They're like, we're going to spend

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They were earning 50 grand a game in entertainment. Yeah. So they had 10,000 people coming to each game. I know that for a fact that it had a minimum 10K. That's ridiculous. I don't know the math works. I don't think so. Because I mean, how expensive are those tickets? Probably not that expensive. I think when we got our tickets, they were $10.

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a seat. Not great. And then you consider like actually paying for the arena to rent the arena. Yep. Yeah, that's true. They must have been hemorrhaging money. Being generous and saying they got 15,000 people there, they're spending three plus bucks on just entertainment of their ticket price. That's not including

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Any of the overhead, any paying the players, anything else, just on. Entertainment above the football game. Oh my. And if you're charging 300 bucks a ticket, sure. That's 1%. That's LA, baby. It's a tough town. Yep. And LA likes winners, and they didn't get one on this team.

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Again, like Greg said, their expectations were totally misset. Like, you'd have to come into this and be like, all right, I got some deep pockets. We can establish franchise, suck for a couple years, then get good with the right system and enough patience. But they started losing that losing streak a couple games in. They're just freaking out. All right, let's call a quarterback out of retirement. We need to win now. We need to win now.

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Yeah, your business plan needs to be, we come in with the expectation of losing more games than we win in the first year. And we can survive. Yeah, we can survive because of X, Y, Z. Then we turn a profit in year five. I would love to see their business plan for this. Oh, wow. Yeah. I bet it was drawn in. Did you hear how it started? Kiss played the arena football championship game, I think the year before.

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They played at that game. They played at the halftime show. Yeah. Interesting. And what the fuck's his name? Dushi pitched him, I think, at the show. Yeah, because he was, I don't think he was a co-owner, but he had something to do with one of these. I think he was an exec or something on one of the teams, yeah. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Which, and that team would eventually go on to sue him for embezzling money off of them.

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No way. Whoa. Ticket scalping thing, yeah. Sweet. I'll post that link too. Although I could probably sell Kiss on the Kiss carpet, Kiss catheter. Because I'm pretty sure they don't give a shit at all. They're like, oh yeah, you want to brand something? Go ahead. Would you like the regular catheter or the Kiss catheter? See, that makes me... That would be an extra $15,000, sir. Okay.

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It is like the Trump thing, right? Where you, I'm pretty sure, I don't know what the finances were here, but I don't know if they like were that invested financially. I don't think so. I think they're just, they're like a branding tool. Right. Maybe just like licensing their name or something. Right. It's the same thing Trump did with his hotels where they would pay Trump to use the name, but he's not financing the whole building or construction or anything like that. It's just like, yeah, it's like a purely marketing,

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games and it said it also said didn't bush he didn't disclose all of the florida team's debts when selling his majority share last year so basically he would um take like 3 000 tickets per game give them to this group of scalpers and then they would also the profits outside of like the actual like ticket sales stuff that's probably how he got his money selling his stake in his team right and then and then after the sale of the team

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He delivered a balance sheet to whoever he sold it to showing $88,000 in liabilities, but that didn't disclose at least $450,000 in house-sending loans and expenses. Whoops! My bad. That was that, that half a million? Don't worry about that. Going off by $300,000. There we go. Ibushi regularly received a split of predator tickets sold by scalpers, draining funds from the team's coffers. The team would regularly print

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The next 3,000 tickets to Orlando Games distributed to a broker who would then give the tickets to scalpers. Money generated from the street sales were split among the scalpers, the broker, and Bougie.

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And I reckon. Belichick's probably watched this. Just for like scouting. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I bet he scouted the. He heard that PJ Bell was a raw talent. Yeah. So all right. I think that we've done almost two hours on a TV show that nobody's ever watched. Not bad gentlemen. It's better than the 10 hours I spent watching it. Is it though? It's an equal.

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She didn't score goals? No. Oh. But the team that we played together on, Andy, Real Midriff, Division C Tuesday nights co-ed soccer. Yeah. Your boys lighten it up. Division C? Yeah. At least Division B. No comment. They keep stats. I keep stats.

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I'd have more assists if the rest of them didn't fucking suck. What did you get for playing co-ed, Greg? Do you want to call anybody out specifically here since we're doing this? Maybe they listen. Maybe they'll step up their game. Kelly. That's Kelly. Yeah, she's got to use her left foot. What? Oh, I was just talking about you. On the podcast.

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